Tuesday April 15, 2025
When detectives locate Ricky at a Louisville Red Roof Inn following a triple homicide in Lexington, they’re stunned by his immediate confession: “I killed Aaron and Isaac and I’m proud I did it.” But this chilling admission deliberately omits any mention of his stepfather Frank – the third victim discovered at a separate location.
What follows is a masterclass in forensic investigation as experienced detectives meticulously dismantle Ricky’s fabricated narrative. His version – that his friends killed his stepfather and he merely took revenge – quickly unravels against physical evidence. The crime scenes tell a different story: victims shot while sleeping, pockets turned inside-out, and ballistic evidence linking all three murders to the .38 revolver found in Ricky’s possession.
The discovery of Polaroid photographs showing Ricky, the victims, and two young women at a drug-fueled party the night before provides crucial context. These images, featuring cocaine and the murder weapon, help establish both timeline and motive. Meanwhile, Ricky’s bizarre revelation that he watched investigators from nearby woods while calmly eating pizza offers a disturbing glimpse into his detached mindset.
As forensic evidence mounts – shell casings hidden in kitchen drawers, ballistic matches between crime scenes, and a damning verbal slip during interrogation – the prosecution builds an airtight case against a killer who couldn’t face admitting to his mother that he murdered her husband. This episode takes listeners deep into the investigative process, revealing how methodical detective work and forensic science uncovered the truth behind these senseless killings.
Transcript
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David LyonsHost00:00
And that when they got back over to the apartment that they’d all laid down to go to sleep and at some point he got up and shot him. I think he had mentioned that he had shot one and went to shoot, reloaded the gun, went to shoot the other and the other one screamed which with the physical evidence and everything at the scene, really didn’t look like a scream would happen in that, and that he shot him and then he went back over to the house and took Frank’s car and took off to Louisville.
Wendy LyonsHost00:31
Warning the podcast you’re about to listen to may contain graphic descriptions of violent assaults, murder and adult language. Listener discretion is advised. The Lexington Triple Homicide who really pulled the trigger? Part two of three.
David LyonsHost01:08
So we’re sitting there and we’re like, okay, we’re probably there, we’ve still got some things to do, we still have all that out. And then the I want to say the phone rang, but I think it was a pager. The kids will have to Google that too.
Wendy LyonsHost01:20
They definitely will have to Google it.
David LyonsHost01:23
But we get another call. We’re getting ready to go and we get another call and it’s the Louisville police and they’ve got the car or they don’t have the car. They’ve located Ricky and he’s at a Red Roof Inn. And they actually located Ricky.
Wendy LyonsHost01:38
And where was the car?
David LyonsHost01:40
The car we had remember.
Wendy LyonsHost01:41
So he just made his way to Red Roof?
David LyonsHost01:44
Yeah, exactly he had to Red Roof in.
Wendy LyonsHost01:46
How did they locate him yeah?
David LyonsHost01:49
There was some kind of a dispatch call for service and ran up identifying him, if I remember correctly like that. And they actually just kind of stumbled across him through serendipity, which happens a lot in this business.
Wendy LyonsHost02:00
So I’m assuming they just were there on other reasons. How did they know that was Ricky?
David LyonsHost02:06
Well, that’s what I’m saying is that they encountered him somehow and he identified himself and he’s not hit for that stolen vehicle.
James YorkHost02:13
This is a real civilian noob kind of question. But is there a difference between because I just got this from movies an ATL and an APB? No, there’s something.
David LyonsHost02:24
Or a BOLO. Be on the lookout for all points bulletin attempt to locate, just depending, it’s wherever you call them in a different area.
02:31
But the real difference in here is that when you have the vehicle listed as stolen and you can associate a name with it, you know that possibly in the control of is that that’s a whole different ball of wax. That’s where, when people talk about being detained and stuff, is that that’s a whole different ball of wax. That’s where, when people talk about being detained and stuff like that, that’s going to happen is that that car will be stopped by the felony stop and stuff like that. So it heats it up a little bit.
Wendy LyonsHost02:55
So you all finish your breakfast and you head back to Louisville. Yeah, we’re on fumes. Yeah, we’re back.
David LyonsHost02:59
We’re back on the road again and we’re heading in and we go in.
Wendy LyonsHost03:02
Has anyone told Ricky’s mother at this point that he’s been found?
David LyonsHost03:05
At that moment, I’m pretty sure. No, keep in mind that what we’re doing is a little different than what some of the other people are doing. They’re still back at one of those two scenes they’re just updating every now and then We’d call them and everything. But I’m pretty sure at that moment she didn’t know that he had been located yet. So Louisville kind of puts the kind of habeas gravis on him and whatnot.
03:27
Well, actually when they encountered him through this other contact and everything, that’s when they found out that he was actually wanted for parole violation and they arrested him on that, actually took him into custody and on some drug and weapon charges which the weapon will come up in a little bit about that and everything. So they encounter him and he had that warrant in the system. I forgot to say that earlier that he actually had an arrest warrant on an unrelated parole violation. That made it handy, because then you’re talking about a good custodial situation where he’s in custody. If you go to detain somebody without that, you really can’t. I mean, there’s no such thing in Kentucky as well. I’m going to book you on suspicion of murder. Well, either you have the murder charge or you don’t. In this case he had the other criminal charges that had him. So what that means is that he’s there, he’s not going anywhere, and then we head back into town and we meet and talk to him.
04:25
This is all happening, of course, on the 21st we now rode overnight and we’re into the 21st and we jump up and take off and go and we go to police headquarters in Louisville it’s been torn down now I think it’s 7th and Jefferson. We meet some fantastic detectives there. They give us a rundown on what the patrol officers found when they located him and they take us to meet Ricky and talk to him you know, because of course he’s being detained in their jail and we get a chance to actually interview Ricky, starting there.
Wendy LyonsHost05:00
So what do you say when you walk in?
David LyonsHost05:02
Hello, how are you doing?
Wendy LyonsHost05:04
And he says not real good, considering where I am.
David LyonsHost05:07
Yeah, his demeanor was very edgy, like kind of wound up. We were like maybe he’s high but he’s also a pretty scrawny little scrapper. I mean, we’re about the same height, he might have an inch on me but he wasn’t a really big guy and whatnot. But I remember that as we were just saying those things because you’re going to build a rapport, is that somewhere right about there he just blurts out is that he goes, I killed him, he goes. I killed Aaron and Isaac and I’m proud of he said something to the effect I’m proud I did it and I’d do it again and if they were standing here before me I’d skin them alive. Wow.
Wendy LyonsHost05:52
That’s how he opens.
David LyonsHost05:53
Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, it was like just a and like, oh, of course, in the back of our mind we’re like, thank you, thank, left somebody out.
Wendy LyonsHost06:04
Stepdad, that’s it.
David LyonsHost06:05
So in that subsequent interview we can move now into his version of the events and how they played out and maybe affected things. A little bit later he sat down for the interview with us. He had no remorse Again. He was adamant that that was the right thing to do. He had no remorse Again. He was adamant that that was the right thing to do, if that makes any sense. And here’s his story why he did that. He states that him and Aaron and Isaac had gone by the house and they had gotten in a verbal altercation with Frank that afternoon right before Frank’s body was found, that that got heated and while he’s standing there I can’t remember if he said it was Aaron or Isaac pulled a pistol and shot Frank right there in front or in that seat and his story is that he watches them shoot and they laugh about it. I think he said and they all get back and they leave and they go over to their apartment over on Reading Road.
James YorkHost07:13
A heated argument where the victim was fully relaxed in a recliner. Yeah, exactly, did he say what?
David LyonsHost07:19
the argument was about it’s just stepdad stuff.
James YorkHost07:23
Okay.
David LyonsHost07:23
Yeah, it’s just stepdad stuff and I’d have to go back to the transcript to lose that.
James YorkHost07:27
So the friends were arguing with a stepdad stuff which seems a little odd, the lone survivor’s stepdad.
David LyonsHost07:34
Yeah, exactly so they’re. They’re, they’re arguing with him or something to that effect, and he’s yelling back and their solution to it is to shoot him.
Wendy LyonsHost07:41
So you went into the room and Ricky was just very callous and said that they deserve.
David LyonsHost07:46
Yeah, he, no remorse at all. He and again going back to it he did. This was a like a vengeance killing or a justice killing for him, and and that that when I got back over to the, the apartment that they’d all laid down to go to sleep and at some point he got up and shot them. I think he had mentioned that he had shot one and went to shoot, reloaded the gun, went to shoot the other and the other one screamed, which with the physical evidence and everything, the scene really didn’t look like a scream would happen in that, and that he shot them like a scream would happen in that and that he shot him and uh, uh. And then he uh, went back over to the house and took frank’s car and took off to louisville. He had stopped and talked to a guy I’m not gonna use the guy’s name because he was just a witness but he had stopped to talk to the guy. We ended up finding him later and the guy was talking about him being antsy and stuff like that.
08:38
But he, his whole storyline was that this was a revenge killing on behalf of his dad, his stepfather rather, and that they’d pissed him off. He had talked about how, when he got back to the apartment, they went to sleep, but he thought about it, and thought about it, and thought about it. Of course, during the interview, me and uh, chris schoonover was the other detective we talked about all those things that anybody would ask him like okay, when it happened, why didn’t you run when it happened? Why didn’t you leave? Why didn’t you call the police?
Wendy LyonsHost09:08
Why did you leave with them? That’s it.
David LyonsHost09:12
And so you didn’t. The inference would be well, they have a gun and they just did this and they’re afraid. And then the next is, whenever I lay down to sleep, why didn’t you get up and leave? And he really didn’t have an answer for that, except the fact that he got up and he shot him. What made that weird especially when you talk about one of them screaming is they were both shot in the head and it was very clear they were in bed and there was nothing to indicate that they were awake when he shot them. So he assassinates them pretty much. And to add, maybe, insult to injury on that, their pockets were turned out. So after it would have been after for sure is that he roots through their pockets to look for anything that he might want, and I mean the pockets were like rabbit-eared. You know what I’m saying? Like that’s what you call it.
Wendy LyonsHost10:00
I’m not making light of somebody being dead, but I know yeah, he was thorough yeah, well, he was looking for stuff, what he could find, yeah exactly.
David LyonsHost10:08
And uh, so he hits the road and he takes off and he and he heads to louisville. And so in the in the, in the interview, we, what we’re doing when we’re talking to him, is that, uh, he’s really up front about doing it right. But we’re really interested in getting statements from him, baseline statements, to either prove that he witnessed these two boys kill Frank or to prove that that’s not what happened. And he did that because it was falling in line to us that it just wasn’t making sense that that would happen Possible but not probable. And again, we’d thrown him everything we could about how reasonable people would behave and when it got safer and how you could be safe in it, and he would just keep sticking down to that.
10:54
So, he ends up giving us that statement, which is a pretty good statement to have. I remember Ray the Larson said he goes. It was almost perfect. The only thing that went wrong is he didn’t cop to the third one you know, and stuff like that. So you know, the things we’re doing at that point is that we’re recovering his clothing, anything we can, because that’ll all get processed for different forensic analysis and whatever, but also what we recovered when we were there was a shoebox and it had a revolver.
James YorkHost11:32
I was going to ask where the revolver was.
David LyonsHost11:33
It had a revolver and it had like a big bag I’m not talking about kilos, but like something close to this size, maybe an eight ball of cocaine, and I think there might have been a little cash in it or something like that but if you can imagine him running around with that little box. The other thing that was interesting because he was so candid with this is that he had seen us and he goes. I watched you all.
Wendy LyonsHost11:58
At the hotel.
David LyonsHost11:59
Yes, what had happened is he had had a pizza delivered and he got the pizza and he was going to a vending machine I think he was on the second floor to get a soda and everybody pulls in the parking lot and so he basically said I hauled ass down the steps ran through that field.
Wendy LyonsHost12:18
Was it his shoe?
David LyonsHost12:19
No, no-transcript. No, he had his shoe, both shoes. But he says he goes through that field and he sits back in those woods eating his pizza watching us and watching. Wow, I mean, he’s watching and he’s describing what we’re doing and he’s laughing about it and it’s okay, I mean, and then you’re thinking later shit, he still had that gun. I mean that’s an uncomfortable feeling, right? So it’s one of those interviews that isn’t really antagonistic. You leave and you go, okay, thanks.
Wendy LyonsHost12:48
Do you take him, transport him back with you?
David LyonsHost12:50
No, that’s a different process. I don’t think we took him back with us. I think we waited and had the sheriff bring him back. I’d have to, but we didn’t have him in our car.
13:07
That’s for sure, so had someone reached out to the other boy’s family. I know you said the dad was suspicious of why his son wasn’t answering. What about the other young man? Somebody else would have handled that. Is it? The coroner does the death notifications in Fayette County? The police don’t. Sometimes we go with them. So after they got they did, they probably reached out, interestingly enough. Like I said, I feel bad. I’m tending to think maybe it was Isaac’s dad that came and found us. It was one of the two boys that opened that up to where we found that out. But that’s two families again that are completely wrecked, just completely wrecked, I remember.
Wendy LyonsHost13:36
Three, actually Three, yeah, the boy and the wife. Exactly yeah.
David LyonsHost13:42
I mean the wife struck struggling because she’s lost her husband.
James YorkHost13:43
I should have said two in addition, just psychologically, it’s suspicious to me that somebody who exhibits sociopath behavior would do a revenge killing and also revenge kill, while the other people are unconscious. Like you wouldn’t even want them to know that they’re being punished for this.
David LyonsHost14:00
Yeah, there’s a point to that too. Yeah, you wouldn’t even want them to know that they’re being punished. Yeah, there’s a point to that too. Yeah, and we can keep getting into it, but you know, when you start looking at the whys and why nots on that, you know, one of the things that I kept coming back to, and I still believe to this day, is that for Ricky, who loved his mother, how do you tell your mother that I killed your husband? I mean, how do you cop to that? You’re going to go to prison.
James YorkHost14:26
You’re going to go away.
David LyonsHost14:26
He still has to try to maintain a relationship. God knows that she was trying to maintain a relationship. I mean she loves him, I mean it’s that that’s her son and again, like you said, wendy, is it that he’s got a sister? That’s. That was there, you know, when all this went down, not during the shooting, but she’s got her life to put back together. So we gathered the evidence, stuff. I remember, like I said, we went to the hotel room nothing, car, nothing. The big thing was that shoebox. That was pretty interesting because now you’ve got a revolver right.
14:50
You’ve got a pistol, still had a little bit of ammunition into it and we come back. We spent quite a bit of time in Louisville actually waiting to make sure the evidence was transferred and all that. They’re, you know, dotting the I’s and crossing the T’s. I think at that point we didn’t have Kim Bunnell, we had Mike Malone who was an assistant Commonwealth attorney. That was actually with us for all of that and we are on fumes.
15:16
That’s that reality of the first 48 thing is you run these until you can’t run them anymore or at least you can hand the baton off to another part of the team that comes in like fresh horses. So where we’re at now is you’ve got that statement from him about what he says happened. But when we got to looking at it more we felt very comfortable in the idea that he’s killed frank, um it it because of the gaps. And then later we fortified that with some other things. But we definitely had probable calls. So we got a warrant for him for the murder of frank and ended up hitting him with that.
Wendy LyonsHost15:52
That third three murder charges in total so what do you think his motive was? To kill the friends. If he killed frank.
David LyonsHost16:00
Yeah, it’s there we go. Good point is that my bet would be for the drugs and any money he could get.
James YorkHost16:09
Makes sense. Yeah, is that road money? If he’s on uppers like Coke, he’s probably not being the most rational person.
David LyonsHost16:17
Good point. Good point, yeah, is because there was so much that now what happens is you get those pieces and it sounds like a pretty good package. But what you learn in the investigation because again, while these wheels are turning, some of the things we found out is like that day before is that Ricky had a girlfriend and they had a child in common. She was a very sweet young lady. She was very cooperative through the whole process. I mean, she’s got a baby with him and whatever from the interviews from her and a few other people is that Ricky learned the day before that that the child protective services was open in a case or an investigation on the child. I can’t remember what it was, but according to some of the people that were close to that, that rattled him pretty bad. I’m not saying that he did anything to the child, but again you’ve got a drug user and a guy that’s criminally involved. It’s probably not an ideal place for it at all. So a lot of people that were close to him and close to the situation felt that that wired him over and got him in pretty bad shape too.
17:39
And as you, I remember I told you that we ended up going into Frank’s house and then me and Schoonover, I think a day or two later, went into the apartment. They were done Again, we didn’t like going into those things until FSU was done. So I remember a day or two later going over with Chris and breaking the corner seal on the door and going in and looking around and we found a few things that didn’t turn up in the first search. That’s not always completely unusual, but for example, like I think it was in a kitchen drawer and in a garbage can was a combination of some unfired 38 ammunition and some shell casings, right.
18:26
So I mean and I don’t have all the file in front of me to tell how many, but it was like that’s bizarre, you know, because with a revolver you know we keyed in on it a little bit is you’re going to remove five to six shots, depending upon the size of the revolver. You’ll remove the shell casings and put new ones in. So that was there and we were like, okay, that’s interesting. And we we recovered all that and got that booked in. Yeah, and I remember I was going through the coat pockets in the closet and started finding these polaroids, um, and these were interesting because after looking at them it’s pictures of ricky uh, the two boys in that apartment and two young women that we didn’t know at the time who they were, and it was clearly like a party, but what they were partying with was a thing of cocaine and a pistol.
19:15
And they’re holding a pistol on each other and they’ve got the cocaine’s present in the pictures, remember, and it’s Polaroids, and there we go. That’s where it starts to unwind a little bit. Okay, when we got an idea, it looked like the apartment you could see in the Polaroids when. And who’s these other people? Who’s these other young women? And they’re young too. They’re probably just over 18, if I remember correctly, Subsequent to that we do locate them.
19:43
Subsequent to that, we do locate them, and this is that thing that was ironic about this being on April 20th is that night before in that apartment they had had a 4-2-0 party, which, you know, people do that.
James YorkHost19:55
That’s a big thing, international cannabis.
David LyonsHost19:58
I think it’s because of what the legal code in California in.
James YorkHost20:01
California back in the day. It’s actually because a bunch of students at the University of Colorado after classes were over at 420, they would all get high together and it turned into a whole phenomenon.
David LyonsHost20:11
Oh, I’m thinking of the 187 on the murder.
Wendy LyonsHost20:13
That’s why you have somebody from the 13th floor podcast on here, because he knows little things that we don’t know.
David LyonsHost20:18
Yeah, he’s better in Wikipedia.
Wendy LyonsHost20:20
Absolutely.
David LyonsHost20:20
In that he can source his things. So, but yeah, so you’ve got this. So okay, now you’ve got this drug-fueled right, and I’m not laying a case of reefer madness out here. Cocaine’s the thing up front, I mean we’re not going to go there.
Wendy LyonsHost20:34
But now you’ve got this really wrecked, because these pictures are like if you can imagine them pointing a gun at each other and, ironically enough, it looked just like the gun that we recovered when we picked Ricky up and interviewed him in Louisville in his little shoebox, so you don’t know if that was the party the day before, or maybe it was a party three months ago.
David LyonsHost20:52
Well, it was the day before.
Wendy LyonsHost20:53
Oh was it.
David LyonsHost20:53
Yeah, because we found the two girls.
Wendy LyonsHost20:55
How’d you find the two girls? A?
David LyonsHost20:57
lot of good old detective work, talking to friends, showing the pictures to friends, making that connection, those tight group things. And because you’ve got to imagine again, we’re interviewing, we’ve started to unravel. Now, at this point you’ve got like his girlfriend and the immediate associates, and then you’ve got associates of Aaron and Isaac and what happens is that as you that’s that victimology as you work away from those people, you start to get people who have familiarity and they cross over. Away from those people. You start to get people who have familiarity and they cross over. So now, as we’re working, it is detectives can go in and you’re going to have a hit rate. That’s another thing that those girls had no idea that that was going to happen.
21:37
We had nothing in the investigation said they were present when any of this other stuff happened. But I’ll never forget that’s one of those things that when you show up at their parents house because they were living with their folks and and you’ve got homicide detectives that need to talk to them and their, their daughter, it’s like wow, I don’t know how would yeah.
Wendy LyonsHost21:55
What kind of crowd are you hanging out?
David LyonsHost21:57
yeah that’s it, that that, and just the shock of that’s your kids and what are they into or what are they close to.
Wendy LyonsHost22:03
So were the girls? Just they were surprised.
David LyonsHost22:06
Yeah, they were yeah, I mean, they were just doing dumb stupid kids stuff.
James YorkHost22:11
Yeah, with drugs really cooperative.
David LyonsHost22:13
Yeah, oh, super, super yeah, um, and not even uh, just super, because they knew the, the gravity of the situation and and again they, they, they didn’t offer anything about the immediacy of the crime or anything, but they could talk about the gun and they could talk about the drugs and how everybody was just partying way too hard and stuff like that. I almost thought about calling this the Dow 420 for murder. But again, I don’t want to lean in on the to his chronology about going over to the apartment to do something or get something. The argument ensues with Frank. They kill him, they go back over to the house, they go to sleep and he takes money and drugs and he takes the weapon and he heads into Louisville and the statements as you go on they broaden. And the statements as you go on they broaden.
23:11
The guy that he stopped to and he talked to and again we leave the names of these witnesses out of it because they’re not involved they end up giving you more information about other people that they’ve talked to that he encountered. He made phone calls, there was a relative in Louisville he was evidently trying to get to and again the big thing was him watching us eating pizza. That was just a bizarre thing.
Wendy LyonsHost23:27
What was his end game after Louisville? Just keep hanging out in Louisville.
David LyonsHost23:31
Yeah, I mean there was a relative of some kind, because I remember when we went back to look for that relative, that’s another night where the Louisville police were fantastic. They were like driving us around anywhere we needed to go. I don’t think he really had that much of a.
Wendy LyonsHost23:48
He didn’t put that much thought into it Well, most don’t. Like what are you going to do next week?
David LyonsHost23:51
Yeah, most don’t. I mean they’re living in the moment and I don’t know very few that had like a master plan. If you look at master plans, those are those ones we’ve done, like on the murder of Rumi Southworth and things Right. Somebody had long-term plans and stuff like that, but again he, you know it’s the whole story about.
24:14
I think there were multiple shots in one of the two boys. But when he says the kid screamed, is that possible? But with a head wound it’s not extremely. You’d have to really graze or something like that. We didn’t really buy that too much, and I think he even mentioned that one or both of them had woke up at some point, but there was nothing. I mean, they looked like they were asleep for what that’s worth, and again with the pockets turned out. That was pretty, pretty disgusting too is the idea that he reached through things to take that stuff. Again, lots of interviews, lots of stuff, fantastic help from Shively Police and Louisville Police. I mean they were amazing on that.
24:55
He gets in custody. He eventually makes it back into Fayette County and I really I just know we didn’t take him A lot of times. What happens is that the sheriff’s office will come pick him up and stuff like that. And again the thing that stands out is that as you move forward now you’ve got him in custody, you’ve got that we start doing some more of the forensic testing on his clothing and stuff like that. For example, you do the GSR test on everybody. He gets GSR tested. The two boys got GSR tested and gunshot residue test is what the test is and you and I talked in the car last night about this.
25:38
You’ve got to be careful with that because it’s not like codlock, like TV makes it codlocked. They’re looking for a few of the components and some of the things that would be found in gunpowder and primers and pistols, and it’s based on the likelihood or not of whether those gases, when they come out, if they make it back to parts of your hand to be swabbed and registered. What am I saying is that somebody can shoot a gun and not test positive for GSR, and that’s what you have to remember with it A lot of times. We did it because it leans more towards circumstantial with other evidence, because it’s just not that strong, but we did it because juries need to hear that too. Uh, you don’t want to not do that because of the what they believe that is or don’t believe, um, but uh, interestingly enough is when we talk about the prosecution theory and why we thought he killed all three, I will say that the boys who were laying in those beds and everything that they had, no, no GSR on them at all.
26:36
And of course you know they could have washed their hands.
26:38
There’s a bunch of stuff that can happen. But keep in mind, this was like we went there. We came back, everybody laid down and went to sleep. Not that he would have known if they washed their hands, but there’s a time compression, I think, in there that eroded that way. Again, we didn’t get anything out of the car or anything out of the, uh, the hotel room, but uh, I do know that when we did the ballistics and stuff like that, is that uh, in the statement, when he, when we told him that we were accusing basically of killing his stepfather, uh, he got a little mad and he said something to the effect of well, how can that be if the same gun was used or whatever, kind of like a slip, if I may, or something like that. Yeah, because we keyed in on it, I’m like and again, thank you, we didn’t say that out loud.
27:23
Right, Thank you. And again ballistically, when we gave everything back from the KSP lab is that the projectiles that were found the shell to that same weapon Back to the revolver part when Frank was shot.
27:40
I can’t remember how many times he was shot. Sure, I will say multiple yeah. And also multiple is important because in Frank’s house in the backstop behind Frank, there were projectile holes and projectiles found in the house, which means somebody missed To the point. There were several days after we were done we got a call from the family that they were moving some. They were doing a lot of remodeling, so the house was really unkempt.
Wendy LyonsHost28:09
Right, I said that correctly. You did say it correctly.
David LyonsHost28:13
And she gets on me about it all the time. And so it. But there was, it was disheveled, it was rough, but they they found like another round or something. There were coffee table. We had to go back out and recover that. That came up in preliminary hearing but it wasn’t a big deal. Sometimes you don’t find all those things, so multiple rounds fired. You have a revolver, uh, a 38. I’m pretty sure it was six rounds. I could be very wrong. I’d have to dig up and look through the phone Only .38.
James YorkHost28:37
I can think of it as less as SP-101 Ruger I think Like the little snubs, yeah, the light airweights, the detective specials, I think.
David LyonsHost28:44
Yeah, they call them old movies. Yeah, yeah, the old gum shoes. So you’ve got multiple rounds fired there. And then when we got back over to Redding I think that’s where the prosecutor from the Commonwealth Attorney’s Office and she actually keyed in better than I did or anybody else on this is that is, you’ve got multiple shell casings back over at the apartment. If I use obviously if I use all six rounds, if we premise that it had six rounds in it before I shoot anybody else or something else, those have those.
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you have to replace them with live ammunition yeah so that was part of the working theory is that over the apartment is where you had spent shell casings that were matched, that that gun that that were there, uh, and spent mean that it was just the cartridge, it, they, the projectile was gone, and I think that was the part of the prosecution theory was is that that added to the fact that you know that happens there? He did say that he reloaded before he shot the second guy.
James YorkHost29:45
I don’t buy that. Yeah, exactly Because it would have woke up the first guy. Yeah exactly.
Wendy LyonsHost29:50
Were they sleeping side by side or in separate rooms? No, two different rooms. No-transcript.
David LyonsHost29:53
They were roomies. But again I’d have to dig deeper into the file and you know we can only get so much of those files in open records request anyway to count how many rounds we believe were fired at the house with some margin for missing something compared to the shell casings. The amount of shell casings were found back at the apartment but it was strong enough for the prosecutor laid into that very hard. She took that as a running theory and I was like, wow, you’re smarter than I am.
Wendy LyonsHost30:23
But, you know, it does make you wonder how the one boy didn’t hear the other boy getting shot.
David LyonsHost30:31
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