Episode 0: Who are Wendy & David? | Part 1 of 2 Tuesday August 2, 2022
Episode 0: Who are Wendy & David? | Part 2 of 2 Tuesday August 2, 2022
Just who are Wendy and David?
The Murder Police Podcast is on its 3rd year (hard for us to believe!), and looking back, we never published what some call “Episode 0”, where listeners learn more about the show, and the hosts.
Take a listen to these 2 episodes and learn about Wendy and David’s careers, passions and even their miniature horses on The Murder Police Podcast Farm.
We have no doubt we share the same loves and passions as our amazing audience.
Our “Hostile Takeover” Host, Scott Harvey
Scott Harvey is a highly sought after speaker, coach, and business communications consultant who helps individuals and organizations communicate through any situation. Since launching Speaking of Harvey Inc. in 2010, Scott has had the opportunity to speak and train for organizations from Kentucky to Indonesia. He also hosts the Speaking of Harvey Podcast.
As a former FBI-trained hostage negotiator and public information officer, Scott knows what it means to speak up when lives are on the line. He is passionate about helping others build the skills and confidence to move off the sidelines and lead the conversation.
Scott can still be found giving his heart and wisdom to help teens navigate communicating in an online world and to prevent tragedy before it happens, something he became passionate about in his years as a D.A.R.E. officer. He lives in Central Kentucky with his beautiful wife of 25+ years and his two daughters.
Down on the Farm!
Show Transcripts
Part 1 of 2
Scott Harvey: My name is Scott Harvey, and I am performing a hostile takeover of The Murder Police Podcast.
Speaker 2: Warning, the podcast you’re about to listen to may contain graphic descriptions of violent assaults, murder, and adult language. Listener discretion is advised.
Wendy Lyons: Welcome to The Murder Police Podcast, episode zero, who are Wendy and David? Part one of two.
Scott Harvey: Well, welcome to The Murder Police Podcast. I am not David or Wendy Lyons. My name is Scott Harvey, and I am performing a hostile takeover of The Murder Police Podcast because I have been a listener since episode one. David is a friend and a client of mine, little background on me, I am a retired law enforcement officer and I retired as Sergeant, ran our citizens police academy, ran our criminal, or excuse me, our community services division. Words are hard. But I ran our community services division and I retired in 2018 and took my speaking career, which was part-time while I worked with the police department, to a full-time basis and added coaching, added a podcast, added all the things. And David is a member of my Mastermind.
And we got to talking one day and I said, “You know, David, I love The Murder Police Podcast, which I’ve listened to every episode. But I know you and Wendy, but your listeners don’t know you and Wendy.” I said, “You need to let them in on who you guys are.” He said, “You know what? That’s weird though, to kind of talk about yourselves on your podcast.” I said, “So we’ll make it not weird. I will come and interview you guys, do a hostile takeover and find out kind of what the listeners want to know that they just haven’t asked.”
So honored to be here, David and Wendy, excited to be in The Murder Police Podcast studios. Did not partake from the bourbon collection that’s outside because I wanted to be able to enunciate appropriately, even though I messed up the office I work for. So welcome David and Wendy to your own podcast.
Wendy Lyons: Thank you for having us, Scott.
David Lyons: Thank you very much for doing this. I’m super grateful. I’ve been excited ever since you offered it because it did dawn on me that the only thing we did was like a little 60 second trailer, I think in the beginning. And we’ve never slowed down to really talk about who we are. And the relationship is getting pretty strong with our listeners, and I think they’ll find some of the things that we’ve done and we’re into now are pretty interesting. And a lot of familiarity that they’ll learn that we’re just like they are.
Scott Harvey: Yeah. It’s kind of funny the way it played out. I said, “You need somebody to interview you all.” And you said, “Let me know when you’re ready.” And I was like, “Don’t tempt me brother, because I will be there. I love talking to people. I love asking difficult questions. And so we’re going to jump in this. We’ve talked about this David and Wendy, this is a successful podcast. I mean, you guys have got a good thing going, you know that your listeners know that. This isn’t a surprise. But how did we end up here? How did we get to The Murder Police Podcast?
David Lyons: There were some discussions a couple of years ago with a few people that I knew, Jack Patty and Ray, the DA Larson, who we unfortunately lost just about a year ago, where we were all talking about maybe going into some kind of a show or concept. And there were a lot of ideas bounced around. And at the given time, for example, Jack remains a very good friend of mine and he’s still with VLK Radio, in his career right now it probably wasn’t a good time to jump and make a movie yet. Although down the road, I think we’ll hear from Jack, and Ray offered to help us get off the ground, which was good. But I remember when I was thinking of the concept and we were thinking of what the name would be. And one day I was mowing, and as you just pulled up here at the Murder Police farm is that we’ve got a handful of acres, and I was mowing and it kind of came over me that my wife Wendy is a true crime fiend. I don’t want to say addict, but a true crime fiend. That is all that’s on in the house.
I think one of the things that I love about being retired is I don’t get those text messages at 3:30 in the morning and her 42 question follow up on a one line sentence. But she’s just like our fan base. And I thought, my Lord, she’s here in the house. And that she would represent the audience wonderfully. I asked her into it, I don’t think she really understood maybe altogether what we were going to do with it because maybe I didn’t. That’s where the concept came to. And I picked The Murder Police Podcast because in the police business in a lot of places, if you’re a homicide detective, you’re the murder police, just like a narcotics officer’s a narc and whatever.
So it’s been an inside for a lot of cultures to be the murder police. I thought it had a good ring to it, came up with some licensed artwork and did a little work with that. And we did a trailer and started recording episodes. And we’re pinching ourselves. We’ve talked in a mastermind before. This is a hobby, we’re sitting down here in a basement in a room that we kind of converted for this. It’s moving along quite well. I’m just astounded at the growth that we’ve had and continue to have. The last I checked, according to listen notes, we’re in the top 1% of over 2.8 million podcasts worldwide. That’s a pretty good place to be.
Scott Harvey: Yeah, it is.
David Lyons: And I think when you asked about how we got there, I think a lot of it is consistency and faith. It’s just going, going, going. And everything you’ll read about doing a podcast is where most struggle is if they get disappointed or forget or just don’t keep going, consistency I think is what sells. And then we have a fantastic audience. I can’t say enough about it because their inquisitiveness is amazing. And everything I’ve seen, they’ve got giant hearts. So from my perspective, that’s how we’re here. That’s how Wendy became so much of fundamental piece of this, because being a listener and being a fan of this kind of genre is what the listeners get. Is that she will ask those questions, literally, that they’re thinking. So if me and some of the other police get technical or go in a different direction, she’ll reel us in. Just like if you and I had a conversation about what we did, we’ll pass people up sometimes just with acronyms and slang and things like that and she reels us in.
Scott Harvey: So Wendy, as a true crime fiend, as he says, I don’t know if that’s how you describe yourself or not, but is this like dream come true for you? Is this a different side of the coin? How does this work with your love of true crime stuff?
Wendy Lyons: Well, I think true crime fiend does describe me well, it is always on always on the television. I have my select shows that I really like to watch. I’m not a CSI, that stuff’s not real for those of you who are into it, but there are real true crime shows that I just love, and I love to read also. So I don’t know that I’m pinching myself per se. A lot of these cases that we talk about are cases that I’ve heard David talk about over the years. So I’ve known the basis of them and they’re just really interesting. And of all the ones we have, I always say Haley McHone is my favorite. If you’ve not listened, listeners, please do. It’s a tragic story of a murder of a 13 year old little girl by a serial killer, but there’s a book about the serial killer as well.
So I guess I like to take things in different avenues. I like to know about the case. Then I like to read up or study on who the murderer was. So for me, it’s just doing something that I enjoy doing. It’s not a labor of love. It’s not tough. It’s just a very much, somebody wants to talk to crime, I talk it. And what better place to talk it than with shows that I know about, or maybe some of them I don’t know about. And a lot of times that’s where the questions are generated. Some of the shows I haven’t heard of, or David’s asked people in Chattanoogan, a case we did before of a 14 year old girl that was murdered. So I love details. David always says that you’re so detail oriented, and I just want to know all the details and why and when, and then what happened. And so I just take my natural who I am and apply that, and just subsequently ends up being that other people want to know those same details, mostly women.
Scott Harvey: Nice, true.
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Scott Harvey: One of the things I appreciate about The Murder Police Podcast, unlike you, Wendy, I don’t do the police shows, I don’t watch police movies because they aggravate me as a retired police officer because most of that crap’s just not true. It pulls me out of the reality, or the movie, it pulls me out of it because it’s just not real. But I like The Murder Police because it doesn’t glorify the perpetrators, it raises up the victims. It gives them a voice. It tells their story, which we know is the only way they still survive. The families say, I have permission to share Burke Rhodes’ story when I do presentations, I’ve gotten permission from his wife, and she said, “Scott, that’s the only way he survives. Please tell his story.”
And The Murder Police isn’t glorifying violence or anything. It’s just honoring those that have been left behind. And I appreciate that about this show. David, we’re talking about how we got into this podcast, but when did you get into policing? Give people some history kind of about how you started in this job.
David Lyons: I actually started with the Lexington Police Department in 1992. So it’s been some time ago, but I can tell you that I was interested in law enforcement maybe since I was six years old. And people will look at that and doubt, but if you really get police to talk to you, they knew at an early age, usually there was a calling.
And for us that really believe in what this job is about, it’s a vocation. I knew I’ve always wanted to do that. I tried some things outside policing before, I worked on an ambulance as an EMT in Louisville for a few years, which was a great experience that got me ready for this, but the itch never left. And so finally in 92, as I applied and was fortunate enough to get hired with the Lexington Police Department, which is one of the most progressive, professional PDs that I’ve been around, and I can say that without bias, even though I was there.
So I spent my career there and had been blessed with a lot of really neat assignments to move around. As people might have heard before, by the time I retired two years ago, I was working the last five years at the appointed rank of commander. I think in one of the pre-interview things you were talking about how that’s not a lot of heavy lifting and it’s not. And we could argue that by the time you get into the command level, you’re practically not the police anymore. So there’s a part that you love your role as a leader, but it’s not the same. And of all those experiences, I think what stood out was the time I spent in the homicide unit, because we had a real team, all of the team dynamics that you hear about, read about and try to learn, we lived. And nothing ever compared to that. I always tell people that over on the wall I’ve got a significant collection of badges in a shadow box. The one that meant the most was the one I only have one copy of that said detective.
That was a passion. I had to eventually move out of that because of family issues and things that I knew was about to occupy too much time if I stayed in there raising my daughter, because it demands so much of you. It is not a nine to five. Matter of fact, if anybody goes in that business and thinks it’s a nine to five, they need to leave. It’s going to take more of it. That’s my career path on there. I think that’s what spoke to me, this. And thanks for recognizing what we do with victims, because I’ve always been big on victim advocacy. The people I worked with were that. In this show, we do like the idea that we’re memorializing some people.
Google and the internet is relatively new in history. I can give you an example that there’s some of the cases we’ve covered that before we covered them, if you Googled the victim’s name, you might find a copy of an appellate decision based on the defendant, but there’s nothing about who these people are. And one of the things we respectfully do, and I think lovingly do, like you said, is we launch them into the immortality of the internet. Because once we have them indexed on there, it’ll open doors for people to learn more about these. And we’ve had so many family members reach out and say the same thing you did with Burke’s family. That means a lot. That’s why we’re going to start, this is airing in August of 2022, and one of the things in this remake after this vacation we took is you’re going to hear a lot more unsolveds and missings to really get these word out on people.
Scott Harvey: And I think that’s important too. You loved the murder police aspect of your job being the homicide detective and everything, but you left that for family reasons. I don’t think you would be where you are today had you stayed in as a murder police detective because it’s just so wearing on you psychologically.
David Lyons: I think it is.
Scott Harvey: I think it’s a good job for a season, I don’t think it’s a good job for a career personally.
David Lyons: And people do it. It was kind of hard to leave in some ways, but I will say that you do go through a lot, and now in retirement you unpack that stuff slowly. And again, I think that’s one of the reasons why, like on our websites, you’re not going to find pictures of deceased people and things. That’s not how we want to remember these people. And quite frankly, some of the shows that are out there are overly gratuitous with that. That’s a little disturbing, but that’s their bailiwick if they want to go that way. But these people meant more than just being a blip on a uniform crime report every year. They deserve to be more than that. And their families deserve to have a place where people can learn about who they are to the best… And it’s tough, going back and getting a personal history on somebody from 20, 30 years ago is almost impossible, but we give it the best shot we can.
Scott Harvey: Yeah. Nice. So Wendy, that’s some of David’s history. When did you enter the picture of David? When did you come in to kind of thankfully, thank God, smooth out some of these rough edges and make him the man that he is today?
Wendy Lyons: David and I met, oh gosh, don’t make me tell… nine years ago we met, we got married four years ago. Bless his heart, it took five years to ask me to marry him. I think he was just pinching himself that whole time at this gem that he had stumbled upon. And so finally he asked me to marry him and we did, we got married February 10th. Do you remember the year, David?
David Lyons: I do now. Yeah.
Wendy Lyons: Do you want to tell it? It’s 2018.
David Lyons: Yeah. Thank you.
Wendy Lyons: You’re welcome.
Scott Harvey: Way to make her say it so that you could confirm it, David.
David Lyons: Oh yes.
Scott Harvey: Well played.
David Lyons: Yeah. Yeah.
Wendy Lyons: Well, it took him forever to remember our anniversary for a while, but we met and it was kind of ironic the way we met. I had attended Lexington Police Department’s Police Academy in 2005, and I went through that and there was a lady that she and I were very good friends. And after I left, after the academy, she and I remained friends and we would hang out a lot. I guess, David, maybe you were her Sergeant at the time. I don’t know how you and she knew each other. Maybe you just knew her. But he and she were friends on Facebook and he would often comment on our pictures of she and I at dinner or things that we were out doing. And you know how it does, it suggests someone is your friend. And I don’t know who friend requested who first, but we became friends on there.
And I had unfortunately lost my dad and David was sending messages, or actually he wasn’t sending messages that time, he was commenting, “Sorry for your loss. I’ve been there. I know how hard that is.” And one day he messaged me or I messaged him. I was thanking him for reaching out because it was a very tough time for me when I lost him. He said that he had a dream that we had gone to dinner at a Mexican restaurant and that I was ordering the food in Spanish. And I said, “Well actually I do speak Spanish.” And so I said, “Well, maybe we should go to a Mexican dinner sometime.” And he, you know, “Yeah, that’s a great idea. Let’s do that.” But only he didn’t ask.
That was in December. And finally, I don’t know if I kept begging enough or maybe he was just tired of the messages or was bored, I don’t know. But we ended up going out in April to that dinner, and that’s how it all began. I knew that he was with Lexington Police, obviously because of my friend, but he was a Sergeant, no, I’m sorry, he was a Lieutenant at that time. And then we were together when he got appointed commander, but I’ve been there for the last nine years through his career, and it’s something that we both enjoy. We both are law enforcement enthusiasts and supporters. So I think that kind of made it a good match.
David Lyons: Very true story. The dream was one of those clear dreams, and I called it Spanglish at the time, [inaudible 00:17:15] we were eating at the restaurant, but every now and then you have that type of dream that is just different. I had some with some of the case work, and maybe one time during a show we’ll talk about what that is, and people will probably think, “Well, he’s nuts,” but it was one of those dreams that was about as real and technical [inaudible 00:17:31].
Wendy Lyons: Well, and maybe I should add that our first date, we actually went to a Mexican restaurant called [inaudible 00:17:37] Hacienda. He got there first, he’s very punctual and I’m not, I have time management issues that I don’t care about correcting. It’s just too late in life to even fix that. But he was there and I walked in and we had just ordered the drinks and the chips came and we had ordered the food. The food had literally just gotten set on the table and David said, “Oh, I have to go get my daughter. I’ve got to go.” And I thought, oh my gosh, this is one of those ploys, because I had been single for a while and I had been dating and I would tell my best friend, Angela, who we also have done a podcast on, that I unfortunately lost this year due to murder, I told her how people do when you’re dating, “Hey, if I send you a message, text me and say I need to come get my son or text me and say I’ve got to come pick you up, you’re out of gas.”
So when the food arrived and David said, “I got to go.” I thought, I wonder who’s texting him to get him out of this date. And I really didn’t think I’d see him again, but he promised that we would go out again and he really did call a couple of days later and we did again.
David Lyons: It was a genuine speed date. Because I remember, and honestly my daughter, Brooke, the floor mat you saw as we walked in, got me that for Father’s Day. And that’s on social media if people want to see it. I was single dad with her since she was eight. So she was in Lafayette High School band at the time. When they got back from a trip or got done with practice, you know how it is because you have daughters, as you go. So I just remember looking at Wendy and she’s putting food in to go boxes, I’m leaving, it was kind of funny.
Scott Harvey: Because you can’t leave them sitting there on the curb, like the island of misfit toys, where the last kid picked up, nobody cares. When you walk out of volleyball practice, I coach volleyball, and if there’s kids sitting out there, I’m like, “Ah, it’s the island of unloved kids. Do you have somebody coming for you?” They’re like, “They’re on their way.” You don’t want to be that parent.
David Lyons: No. And we know as parents, when our children get older, because Brooke is 24 and married to a fantastic young man named Keaton. I love him to death too. But when you look back, you miss that, you miss that whole hustle. That whole thing. I mean, that’s the whole reason I had a mini van, which would get me laughed at at work so many times it wasn’t funny.
Wendy Lyons: You probably shouldn’t tell that.
David Lyons: Yeah, I probably shouldn’t. When we got the farm and she was older, I finally got a pickup truck because-
Wendy Lyons: Thank God.
David Lyons: Yeah. Because at the lumber yard, in Lancaster, Kentucky, those guys would cry with laughter when I would pull in to get 16 foot fence boards. And I probably never should have tried that anyway, but I digress.
Scott Harvey: So Wendy, what’s the best part about being a police wife? Because I think that’s something that people always wonder. They hear about police wives, they kind of think they know what it is, but what’s the best part in your experience of being a police wife?
Wendy Lyons: I think for myself, just watching David’s love of law enforcement in general. And people that I speak to or had spoken to in the past always say what a great guy and great leader David was when they worked under him or worked with him, how fair he was. And he was so very well respected with Lexington Police Department. And other places we have gone, other agencies that are familiar with him, they say the same thing. I think for myself, just David’s love of helping others. Obviously as a police, as you know, Scott, it’s not all dew drops on rose petals. Sometimes the jobs are very ugly and you’re arresting people and it’s fighting blood, sweat, and tears.
But I think because I always have had an interest in law enforcement and obviously David did as well, there was that part of us that connected. We could share stories. Because I didn’t spend, but barely not even quite a year there, there was so much I didn’t know but wanted to know. I wanted to go into crimes against children, had I stayed when it was time to be eligible to go into a detective bureau. And so I would ask questions about what it was like in that department or how would you handle this? And so I always had that interest there. So I think marrying David, it was kind of like filling that little void that I had. Or when I watched those shows, wondering the inquisitiveness of that job and how people handle it. And he did, and he did it with grace.
Scott Harvey: And I’m sure you’ve gotten used to having your back to the crowd at the restaurant because most police officers have to sit against the wall, facing the room, all of that stuff. Do you notice, Wendy, when he notices stuff? Like when his radar goes off, I mean, do you see a change in him?
Wendy Lyons: I do. And I have to tell a funny story, because in the academy, they tell you when you go in, sit, observe the room, observe the exits, sit with your back. So when we first got together, it was kind of like, I wanted to sit against the wall and he wanted to sit against the wall and I thought, well, he did do it longer than me and he’s a good bit older than me.
Scott Harvey: And he has the gun.
Wendy Lyons: I’ve got one too, but he always has his. But I was like, well, maybe I should just kind of… I’ll let him think that I’m submissive in that area. But that’s the only one. So he does. And I will tell you, I’m always amazed. There’s two stories I’m going to tell about David, and I’m going to toot your horn, David. So one of them, I was watching a show. He had been outside, and he came in and I’m watching this interview, I don’t know if it was first 48 or what it was, but something I was watching and they were interviewing a lady, and she was part of a suspect in a murder. And he comes in, he’s getting himself something to drink and he’s kind of glancing at the television and going back and fixing the drink.
A couple seconds later he looks over and he says, “Is she a prostitute?” And I looked at him and I said, “Oh my God, how did you know, have you seen this episode?” And he is like, “No, I just knew.” And I said, “How did you know, you’ve had to have seen this?” And he said, “No, I’ve not seen it.” And he said, “I just know, the way she’s answering, her mannerisms.” And she wasn’t doing anything and she wasn’t dressed in any sort of way that I would’ve thought she was a prostitute, but he said, “It’s just her mannerisms and the answers that she’s giving.” And I thought, wow, he really does know this stuff. So I was really amazed by that. And then I will tell you, we often love to go, any of our locals here, or any of our not locals that want to look it up.
Shaker Village in Harrisburg, Kentucky is a favorite place for us. We will often go there maybe once every couple of months, stay all night. In the summer, they have bands out there or delightful food. It’s just a beautiful little spot, very quaint. And we went about two months ago and we were sitting outside, listening to a band, sipping some wine. And David says, “The girl over there to our 11 o’clock, she’s really on something.” And I said, “Why?” So I look at 11 o’clock trying to be not obvious, and sure enough she’s rubbing her nose. She keeps doing this thing with her hands, keeps flipping her arms around. Then she’d sit still, then she’d rub her face and do her arms and sit still. And he said, “Now that guy, he’s probably on this. He’s not moving as much. But she’s really feeling it.”
And as we sit and watch, sure enough, he was right and she just kept doing it and kept doing it. And it was so obvious after he pointed it out. So he’s very observant. I will say that. And I’m often amazed at the things that he notices. Or he’ll say, “We’ve got to get out of here. This is going to get a little bit ugly over here. We’ve got to go.” So, yeah, I don’t know if it’s the love of the job, the experience in the job, or maybe just David’s age. Is that bad?
David Lyons: No, it’s [inaudible 00:25:23]
Wendy Lyons: I think they say with age comes wisdom. I mean, maybe that’s why you’re so smart.
David Lyons: We hope, we hope. But you know, Scott, that’s what the career does to you. And it’s not a bad thing, but you do become pretty much an expert on human behavior to that degree. And I don’t think people appreciate that until they’re around it, and it doesn’t go away and it’s not like ultra paranoia and it’s not hyper vigilance, but it’s the idea that you and I can go somewhere and probably watch something for a few seconds and take our wives and say, “Hey, let’s pay the check and go.” And we know that whatever’s going on there, we just know we just don’t want to be around ground zero.
Scott Harvey: Right. Early in our marriage, my wife would ask immediately, “What’s going on?” Because she would see the change in my countenance. I saw something when we were sitting in the restaurant when we’re out and about, and she would see, then she would ask immediately, and we’re 25 years in now. She might on the way home, she’s like, “Did you see something weird in the restaurant?” Because I picked up on something, and she’s always right. But we were in New York several years ago in a subway station, and I’m sitting on a bench while my wife and her parents, because they went with us, are looking at the subway map. And I’m just sitting on a bench, watching people. And this guy goes over to help them find where they’re trying to get to on the subway, and he gets really close to her and her purse.
So I’m just watching this guy, and he didn’t do anything, he helped them find where they were going to and then he left. And my wife told me on the subway, she goes, “I saw you watching that guy. He was super nice.” I said, “That guy before he came to talk to you jimmied a piece of metal up the payphone to clear change out of the coin receptacle in the bottom. So he’s going to steal change from a payphone, he’s going to steal from your purse if he can. So that’s why I was watching that guy.”
She was, “He was super nice.” No, of course he was, because you look like an easy mark, the obvious out of towners in the New York City subway station. So we noticed those things, Wendy, and we appreciate you all humoring us and asking when it’s appropriate, all that stuff. What did they not prepare you for being a police wife, Wendy, anything that kind of caught you by surprise maybe?
Wendy Lyons: Hey, you know there’s more to this story, so go download the next episode like the true crime fan that you are.
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Scott Harvey: It’ll leak. You can’t seal that box up, it’ll leak, it’ll start poisoning the rest of your life.
Wendy Lyons: Right.
Scott Harvey: And I think for you, what I appreciated about those episodes with Angie is it was you processing what you went through and allowing us to see what that looks like.
Wendy Lyons: Warning: the podcast you’re about to listen to may contain graphic descriptions of violent assaults, murder and adult language. Listener discretion is advised.
Welcome to The Murder Police Podcast, Episode 0, Who Are Wendy and David?, Part 2 of 2.
Scott Harvey: We noticed those things, Wendy, and we appreciate you all humoring us and asking when it’s appropriate, all that stuff. What did they not prepare you for, for being a police wife, Wendy? Anything that kind of caught you by surprise maybe?
Wendy Lyons: No, not really that caught me by surprise, I guess because I knew enough of it, having gone through the academy. So I wasn’t totally surprised aside of when he went back into as a commander, I don’t know if you were a commander or a lieutenant, when you went back up to the homicide and special victim’s unit. He ran that for a while.
David Lyons: I was a commander.
Wendy Lyons: He was a commander. And we weren’t yet married at that point when he was up there. But you know what? When I was over at his house for the weekend or something like that, the phone would go off constantly. Constantly. And it might go off and an hour later, go off again. And me loving crime like I do, I wanted to ask a million questions. It wasn’t, “Oh, no, the phone’s ringing.” I wanted to know, “Well what did it say? Well where’s it at? Well are they dead? Well what hospital did they go to? Well what started it? Did they find the suspect? Is the victim going to be all right?” And he would say, “Please, that’s all the details I have. Go back to sleep.” Then in the morning, I’d say, “Did anymore texts come? Because I didn’t hear it go off.”
So when it was his time to be duty commander of the city, the phone went off a lot. And so that was great for me because I wanted to know what happened, but for him it wasn’t. But I guess I had dealt with that through the dating process and I knew a little bit of it through being in the academy of what things can happen and transpire. But I think for most wives that are new to it, that don’t have a law enforcement background, just be patient because sometimes he might not be home. He’s got to work over. Especially if you’re in homicide, like David said earlier, that’s not a nine to five. And as our listeners may have heard, some of these detectives, they’re there for 24, 25, 27 straight hours and they might get to go home and take a two hour cat nap and then go right back at it again. So I think the job itself is incredibly demanding, and as a police wife, just be understanding and maybe don’t ask as many questions as I do, because I don’t think they like that.
David Lyons: I would finally just tell her to get up in the morning, catfish the suspects on Facebook and call the detectives with what you found out.
Scott Harvey: There you go.
Wendy Lyons: And I did catfish.
David Lyons: Oh, she was all over it. She knew more than they knew in the DB and I know that for a fact.
Scott Harvey: Yes.
David Lyons: Because she’d call and tell me her results.
Scott Harvey: Right. Right. But at the same time, I think it’s important, you bring an interesting point, Wendy. And I tell law enforcement officers all the time. I was like, “You need someone to unload to. You need somebody safe you can dump this stuff to.” And I’m sure he came home and told you about difficult situations, difficult cases sometimes, that were just kind of stuck in his head because-
Wendy Lyons: No, he really didn’t Scott. He doesn’t talk about that.
Scott Harvey: He didn’t? That’s sad.
David Lyons: It is sad because I want to know, not because I’m trying to be compassionate or empathetic towards him, I just want to know. But David really doesn’t. He doesn’t talk about it.
Scott Harvey: Okay.
Wendy Lyons: I’m the talker in the marriage and I love sharing details and I love getting details, but David’s kind of closed off with that stuff.
David Lyons: It’s because I’m an introvert.
Wendy Lyons: He’s not an introvert. Whether it’s maybe he doesn’t want to relive it, maybe he doesn’t want to talk about it, maybe he just wants to kind of suppress that, I don’t know, but I just don’t ask questions. I mean, I’ll ask the basic questions that I could get out of him.
Scott Harvey: Right.
Wendy Lyons: You know, when I lost Angie, I had asked him… One of the first things I had to go and let Servpro in. That was really horrific, that scene in her house. And then I had gone and seen her at the corner to pay my respects with her. And I asked him, that scene in the home, how do you unsee that? And he said, “You just don’t.” And that’s as much detail as I got from him on that.
And he later said, for him, he just can’t talk about that stuff because it’s difficult. And so I just didn’t ask him anymore about it because I’m figuring, I saw it from my best friend. Not that it would be easier seeing it from someone that you don’t know multiple times, multiple times, multiple times, but I think it was different when, in that podcast as I explained, I went through that whole horrid relationship that she had been through, so I think it hit closer to home for me because of who she was and what she had endured. But David doesn’t open up about that stuff.
Scott Harvey: Well, I mean, to be fair, there is a part of our brain that turns off in scenes like that, like the emotional side of our brain. It’s a survival function. It’s just how you get through it. You turn that emotion off. Now, if it’s a family member or a friend, like you’re just not going to turn that off. And I think you, Wendy, handled that beautifully when you did a tribute podcast, is the only way I can describe it, is it was a tribute to Angela and to victims everywhere, empowering victims. It doesn’t have to work out this way.
Wendy Lyons: Right.
Scott Harvey: We can stop this before we get here. And I think what you did, Wendy, whether you know it or not is you processed that.
Wendy Lyons: Yeah.
Scott Harvey: You processed that for all of us to hear. You got it out. Because there’s some misconception in law enforcement there where we can just put the lid on this case, slide it back on the shelf and it never bother us again. And if you don’t process it with somebody… David probably went back to the detective bureau and talked about it with the officers and kind of processed that way. It’ll leak. Like you can’t seal that box up. It’ll leak, it’ll start poisoning the rest of your life.
Wendy Lyons: Right.
Scott Harvey: And I think for you, what I appreciated about those episodes with Angie as it was you processing what you went through and allowing us to kind of see what that looks like.
Wendy Lyons: Yeah. I think because most people fortunately don’t have to or haven’t had that misfortune of having seen that. And I think for me, because David always says I’m such a linear thinker, as bad as that was, I needed that because I couldn’t accept that that had happened to her. But my intuition was on such high point, as soon as someone posted on our little What’s Happening in Nicholasville page on Facebook, I knew. And I went into the office. He was working on something on the computer and I said, “I know. I just know this is her.” And no name was released. All it said is they heard shots fired. And I knew as soon as I saw that that it was her. And of course I was, I was correct.
But it does help to talk about it and I would say your original question about the police wife, what that entails, maybe don’t ask as many questions as you’d love to know, because maybe some people don’t want to share that reliving that sometimes is very hard, even if it’s not anybody that they knew, it really takes a toll on your body, having seen that. And seeing it day in and day out, I don’t really think I could do that.
Scott Harvey: Yeah. And make no mistake, police wives serve as well. Like it is-
David Lyons: Absolutely.
Scott Harvey: It’s a calling. It is a service because you all support… I say police wives, affectionately, it’s police husbands as well. Police spouses, police significant others. They support the law enforcement officer to do their job. To be a safe space to come home to means a lot. To provide a safe space for us to kind of unplug our brains from a hard day at work. And you guys don’t get the answers you deserve a lot of times and you still love us anyways. It’s a calling and we appreciate you all for that, for sure.
Wendy Lyons: Well, thank you. And if you’re a crime enthusiast, it’s icing on the cake, because then you might get some goods on what just happened.
Scott Harvey: There you go.
David Lyons: And there was-
Scott Harvey: Yeah, right.
Wendy Lyons: I love that part.
David Lyons: Yeah. That’s true.
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Scott Harvey: So David, good career. I mean, you were a commander. We touched on this earlier, which you said is not really policing anymore. It’s probably more aggravating because you’re dealing with police who aren’t policing the way they should, which is a lot of a commander’s job. You’re kind of holding the standard and holding people accountable. But why retire? Why not stay in the commander position? Was there something that you wanted to retire for, or it was just time or what?
David Lyons: Well, a couple years out I had come up with a feeling. They always say that this job will let you know when it’s about time. It’s a very true thing. You could start to feel two years out that I was felt like I was heading for the sunset anyway, right?
Wendy Lyons: Mm-hmm.
David Lyons: You could feel. There’s a dramatic shift and you’re not angry, you’re not spiteful, you’re not bitter, but you’re really thinking you’re done and ready to do different things. And so I knew I was kind of honing in that direction and what ended up happening several months before I went ahead and retired, it was kind of a surprise for me and everybody else is that I had a health issue that came up. At one point I was actually diagnosed with bronchial carcinoma, which is a form of lung cancer, even though I’ve never smoked. Very difficult time, very scary time.
Wendy was super supportive of it because, at one point when we were looking at treatment options, my thoracic surgeon, he said, “I’m going to take at least three quarters, if not your entire left lung.” What that meant was a long recovery. And I remember coming to Wendy with it… And he was going to do that regardless of cancer or not because of where the spot was in my lung. And I told her, I said, “There’s a couple ways I can look at this. I can either stay, have this surgery done and have like a six-month recovery and go back to a job with short terming on, regardless that I know I’m on way up and burn all my vacation time, burn sick time, or I can retire.”
We are blessed at my agency with the Urban County government to where they actually buy your unused sick time back, which is a really good little check as you retire. And we talked about it a lot. There’s a few things I would’ve liked to have knocked out maybe, but it spoke to me and I was like, “This is it.” Because then I can do a recovery on my own terms without feeling rushed, without going back to work and whatnot. So I went ahead and pulled the pin. Didn’t regret it. I was ready to go. I think that was the big thing is I was ready to go.
Wendy Lyons: I was hoping he’d stay so I could get more stories.
David Lyons: Yeah, that’s it. Exactly. Because you know what? This is funny. We’ll be somewhere and I’ll… It just happened in Vegas, and a guy goes, “They’re giving discounts at some show in law enforcement, first responders.” I said, “What about retired?” And I usually don’t do that. She’ll tell you that’s… I don’t know why it fell out. And you said something like, “Well, he did 28 years. Not 30, but he did 28.” It’s like-
Wendy Lyons: He could have stayed longer, but he chose not to.
David Lyons: That’s it. To her, it’s almost like I ran the marathon and didn’t quite get across the 26 mile mark.
Scott Harvey: Right. So he-
Wendy Lyons: I often bring up a name of an officer, I won’t say it on here, but he was there, oh God, a hundred years almost.
David Lyons: Yeah.
Wendy Lyons: And I would say his name. Well, he’s still there and he’s been on 37 years and he’ll say, “I am not doing that.” And I think, David, also you didn’t tell… David teaches as well for FBI-LEEDA and David loves to teach. One thing that people always tell me about David is how exceptional he was as a teacher in the classroom for different things law enforcement related. So prior to David leaving Lexington Police Department, he would use a week vacation here or there to go teach for FBI-LEEDA. And he now pretty much does it more than he worked for Lexington Police.
He loves that though. That’s his niche. I think he thrives being in that environment, teaching chiefs, lieutenants, commanders, whatever he’s teaching. And he enjoys it. So we laughed at first because when he retired initially, he didn’t have a teaching gig lined up for a few weeks. And he had been home for probably a couple of straight weeks. And I remember saying to him one day, “You have got to get a job. You cannot set here day in and day out. This ain’t going to work.”
And so he did go and he teaches quite often now, but he loves that and I’m supportive of it. Some days he’s gone three days and some days he’s gone five days. As David said, we were in Vegas and we met up with another couple friend of ours and he’s also an instructor, former chief for two different departments. And I think he said something about the wives are so supportive, David. They were toasting a little bourbon at this little place we were setting at. And they were talking about how supportive the wives are, that they go and teach five days a week. I remember, she’s more subdued and quiet and I’m not. And I piped up and I said, “You all are doing a favor. You do not have to thank us. We’re so glad you’re gone five days.”
But of course I miss him when he’s gone, but I know he loves that. So David isn’t truly retired. That’s what he enjoys doing. And then the Murder Police is just something fun that we do when we can come down in the basement and squeeze in an episode.
Scott Harvey: So he’s blowing around the country, teaching leadership, which is an important thing. I don’t want to downplay that. Teaching leadership to law enforcement where we know leadership failures cause serious issues for agencies.
David Lyons: Huge.
Scott Harvey: Yeah. I mean, it’s always a question of leadership. You either condone it or you should have known it and should have stopped it one way or the other. So he’s still doing that, keeping busy. Wendy, what are you doing when you are not podcasting?
David Lyons: Oh, my. I own childcare centers, four of them. I love children. And that’s why I wanted to stay and go into crimes against children. Totally different aspect, thank God, than what I see every day. But I own four childcare centers and that’s my true love. That’s my element. As an owner, when they need somebody in a classroom, I’m there. I’m the first to raise my hand and say I’ll work a preschool classroom any day of the week.
I love children so much, in fact, that in addition to owning my centers, I sub at my son’s school. I used to love subbing the younger ones and occasionally the younger elementary, but I’ve developed quite the fond love of teaching the high school students, just because I’m seeing who they’re developing into. And on one hand at my childcare centers, we take children six weeks to five years, and then I’m seeing these older students as juniors and seniors and who they’ve evolved into at, at his school. So that’s what I do.
I just presented for the Bar Association. I think there’s some pictures on our website of that. They said it best. They said, “So when you’re not podcasting or watching true crime, you can be found in a classroom with children.” And I said, “Absolutely. There’s always one hanging on me, hanging off me, fixing my hair.” I came home last week. I sent David a picture. He was gone and they had taken markers. We talked about how people get their hair colored. And the next thing I knew, a kid said, “Can I color your hair?” And I thought we were playing until I looked and he had a magic marker and the front of my hair was very purple. And so I sent that to David, but you know, it’s a true love of what I do. And that’s, aside of true crime, is my heart and passion is working with children.
Scott Harvey: Yeah.
David Lyons: That’s a real job, Scott. I mean, I always joke with people that there’s real jobs out there and policing is so fun. 28 years of fun. I couldn’t do what she does. I’m risk averse. I couldn’t be in that industry. And when I’m on the phone with her and she’s there, I don’t stay on the phone long, because when they’re screaming in the background, it sounds like cellophane getting crumpled into the mouthpiece of the phone.
Scott Harvey: Right, right.
David Lyons: It drives me nuts. I’m like, I don’t know how she does it. So hats off to her because you and I just didn’t, I mean.
Scott Harvey: Oh, I always leave places like that and my standard response is “Some people actually work for a living.”
David Lyons: There we go. Yes.
Scott Harvey: That’s what I would say.
David Lyons: Yes, exactly.
Scott Harvey: Because what I did never really felt like work and what I do today doesn’t feel like work.
David Lyons: No.
Scott Harvey: But as if that’s not busy enough, I mean, training leaders across the country, raising the next generation of kids four childcare centers at a time, you guys also farm. You’re on the Murder Police farm here. I mean, there’s animals here. Talk a little bit about what that looks like.
Wendy Lyons: Oh, that’s just fun. My dream, I guess you could say was always, and maybe it’s because I’m not much of a neighborly type. God, that sounds horrible. But when you hear kids all day long and it’s loud, really the last thing you want to do is come home and hear more noise. Because David’s right, it is very loud. It’s like that for 12 hours a day. Somebody’s always crying. Somebody’s mad. Somebody’s biting. Somebody’s peed their pants. It’s all day. So when I come home, the last thing I want is noise. I just want to unwind with some hot tea, setting, maybe even a glass of wine on occasion, watching my show. My dream was always to find a small farm, nothing huge, but I wanted something manageable and I wanted miniature horses and I’d always told him that.
And I remember in our dating, I had been looking for many places and I would call him when I thought I could maybe rope him into marriage before five years. I’d say, “Hey, I found this place.” I was thinking I could lure a man with like a nice farm because I knew he didn’t like neighbors either. I would find it and it would have a pool and I didn’t want a pool because I’ve got a son and I didn’t want to have that worry of something happening. Or it wouldn’t have the fencing, and then I’m thinking, “Well, then I can’t get horses unless I fence.” Or I desperately wanted a basement. It wouldn’t have a basement. So there was always something.
And I called him one day and I said, “I found the perfect spot. You’ve got to come look at it.” And it was where we are. It’s in Nicholasville, Kentucky. This is just outside of Lexington, Kentucky. And it’s just a delightful town. The people here, they’re just really good people. Our farm is six acres, right at six acres. We do have four miniature horses and we have six chickens and a small garden. And that’s it.
David Lyons: The mini horses are fun. And most of those are through rescues, which makes it even more… You’ve met them.
Scott Harvey: Mm-hmm.
David Lyons: They have incredible personalities. I think the thing I found out that was interesting is she had always talked about getting them, but I always joked that I didn’t know she’d get them like the first two weeks after she closed on the house. It was like… so I got a really nice laser miter saw and a cordless Paslode nail gun, because living on the farm with wood fences, you’ve got to have those things, but they’re a joy. They’re like big dogs. And that’s one thing we were talking about. We’ve got to start sharing more pictures of things like that on social media, because they’re fascinating animals. They’re fascinating.
Scott Harvey: Mm-hmm. I just had visions of her all day dealing with kids that are crying and wetting their pants and coming home and seeing David crying and wetting his pants. I mean-
David Lyons: Exactly.
Scott Harvey: … hey, it gives us little break. I mean that’s a lot.
David Lyons: Exactly. Yeah, exactly.
Scott Harvey: I mean.
David Lyons: But I’m sincere and I’m in it for the long game.
Scott Harvey: Yeah, that’s right. She signed a contract with you.
David Lyons: Oh, exactly.
Scott Harvey: Right?
David Lyons: Yeah.
Scott Harvey: And she’s a woman of her word, thankfully. So give us a sneak peek of what’s on the horizon for Murder Police? What’s upcoming? What can we expect? Whet our appetites a little bit for this upcoming season?
David Lyons: Yeah, it’s always… And one of the things I love about our Master Mind group is the… And I can tell people, if you’ve never engaged in one of those, you need to give it some consideration. And I would recommend joining the one we’re in or another one that you might form. It’s amazing.
But we know that we want to do more personalized things. We want to go into more unsolved. We want to pick up the episode pace a little bit, which takes a lot of work. You know that from having a podcast yourself. But I’m so grateful. We just this week finally formed a focus group. I’ve got about 34 really die hard fans, literally from around the world, that have offered to help us with decision making on where we’re going. I don’t like to time date the episodes too much, but we just took July of 2022 off to kind of put this together, but when we launch with this episode in August, we plan to have for the first time making our merchandise available because it’s always been exclusive this point. And anybody that’s ever given us a review and recommended this knows that we’re pretty quick about sending something to them, but we’re going to make that available to people.
We do want to get more of the unsolved center. We’re going to try to involve the fan base a little bit more. I’d like to move into giving them opportunities to actually remotely get involved in an interview, when we bring a detective in or do one. A lot of content coming. One of the things we’re getting ready to do is talk to… When I’m on the road with FBI-LEEDA, I clearly meet a lot of people. One of the contacts I made from Santa Clara, California, a few months back is a familial DNA detective. They just identified a woman not too long ago, that had been the victim of murder 30 years ago, and they put together who she is through familial DNA. And that’s coming, we’re getting ready to release that.
So we’ll have merchandising and we may go ahead at some point and move into an extra bonus type situation where, for a membership fee which will be nominal, is that we’ve got a lot of cool things that I’ve got in the pipeline that I want to do.
Scott Harvey: Yeah. Nice. Well, we’re excited. We’re excited for the new season. We’re excited to pull the curtain back here on the Murder Police farm and talk to you guys and get to know you a little bit more. So thank you for this opportunity and for you all’s willingness to kind of just answer some questions, let us into your life. We’re excited.
David Lyons: Well, I was definitely excited to have you. I do remember that’s why, when you said that, I don’t know if you had intended to do it or not, been like, “When you’re ready to go,” Like you said, and I was like, “You’re it. Tag, you’re it.” You had the idea you were going to do it.
Wendy Lyons: Before we get off here, Scott, why don’t you tell our listeners what you do and a little bit about your podcast? If they are looking for focus groups or maybe some people don’t know what Master Mind even is.
Scott Harvey: Yeah. Thank you. I appreciate that. We’ve got a Master Mind that meets… We meet once a week on Zoom for an hour and we basically set goals, we hold each other accountable, I bring leadership content, sometimes bring questions, sometimes that we walk through difficult parts of your business, to… The problem with being an entrepreneur that I’ve found very quickly is that it’s a lonely job. When you work for yourself, there’s no board of directors, there’s nobody to bounce ideas off of, there’s nobody to hold you accountable. And what this does is gives you a group of people who are on your side, who will help you get to the next level, whatever that looks like for you.
And so I’d love to talk to people about that if they want to. The podcast is the Speaking of Harvey podcast. Now it’s been on a hiatus for the last year, because for the last year I’ve been writing a book.
David Lyons: Yes.
Scott Harvey: And the book is now turned into the publisher, so that podcast will be launching back again soon. A little bit updated, a little more communication focused because that is really what the book is about. And that is what I do. I just help people communicate more effectively, because I get frustrated when people are not communicating their way through crisis.
Wendy Lyons: Can you tell us what that book is called or are you not at Liberty to discuss that yet?
Scott Harvey: The book is called Silence Kills: Communication Tactics to Speak with Confidence and Build Your Influence. It is going to be on the business book shelf, but that doesn’t mean it’s only for business people. It’s for people who are just tired of not speaking up, people who in my experience, especially in 2022, were so afraid of saying the wrong thing that we end up saying nothing. We live in a cancel culture world, where if you mess up and say the wrong thing, you’re just canceled. And so people say nothing.
What I learned as a hostage negotiator, as a public information officer, as a human, silence without rapport feels like you don’t care. So you can be silent, but your family, your coworkers, your whatever are going to assume it’s because you don’t care. And so this book just gives people practical ways to speak up, to get their message out, even if it’s in a crisis. I would say, especially in a crisis, because if you and I, David, know in the police world, if you’re not the first one to tell the story, they’ll never believe the real story.
David Lyons: Amen.
Scott Harvey: So you’ve got to get out there and say, even when it’s difficult, start telling the story.
Wendy Lyons: When should that book be available, Scott?
Scott Harvey: The plan right now, I should have copies in October that’ll be available at silencekillsbook.com and then they should be on store shelves in April. I’m learning in this process there is such a thing as a book release season did not know this, but if you release a book out of season, the bookstores want to say, there’s something must be something wrong with it, or you’re trying to sneak something in. So we wait until April to be a part of this season.
Wendy Lyons: And your Master Mind focus group, is that on Facebook or a website that our listeners could reference?
Scott Harvey: Yeah. If they go to speaking of harvey.com, they can click on the contact Scott button. They can find out a little bit about the coaching, about the corporate speaking that I do about the educational school assemblies, there’s tabs for all of this stuff. So just go to speaking of harvey.com, click the tab, or you can email me@scottatspeakingofharvey.com.
Wendy Lyons: Awesome. And David, I’m sure you’re going to attach that link to our…
David Lyons: Absolutely. Yeah. On our webpage, you have been listed as one of our favorite personal picks. There’s a link that will always be there. And I can say too that when we were talking again about how we came up with a podcast, unequivocally, your show, I would be out in the back in those back acres, replacing fence ports two years ago, listening. And I’m just going to tell you that listening to you do that told me, well, we can do that too. So I was grateful. I think I texted you one time and said, “I just binged you.”
Scott Harvey: Yeah, I appreciate that. It’s a podcast of something anybody can do. And I would throw writing a book in that too. And David, I know your books are coming?
David Lyons: Right.
Scott Harvey: They’re in the process. And if you are an idea generator, which we are, and Wendy, I know there’s a book in you too if you ever decide to write one, and it’s going to be entertaining for sure.
David Lyons: Oh.
Wendy Lyons: Probably certainly would be.
Scott Harvey: It would be. It may have an explicit lyrics label on the front of it.
Wendy Lyons: It definitely would.
David Lyons: Yeah.
Wendy Lyons: Speaking of that, not to interrupt you, but I have to tell you, and I reference Angie because she was such a huge part of my life. We met back as 19 and 20 year olds and started working together and that friendship lasted that whole time. And I remember when we worked at Long John’s corporate in the payroll department, our little cubicles, we were in the cubicle together, back then all the way up until she was murdered, she said, “We have got to write a book and I already have the title.” And I said, “What is it?” Because we would call each other and talk about who pissed us off that day, or some idiotic thing that a staff member did or a coworker did, or just somebody in Walmart or Kroger.
And she said, “The book’s going to be called Constantly Amazed, because the things that people do below me away.” And so it’s funny that you say that because Angie always said we had to write a book about just people and how you’re constantly amazed at what they do or what they don’t do or why they thought they could do that. Maybe one day I’ll write one in memory of Angie.
Scott Harvey: Well, I will get the first autographed copy, that’s for sure.
Wendy Lyons: Well, I will sure give it to you.
David Lyons: Good deal. Well, thank you again. I can’t thank you enough. This was an oversight on our part, just getting busy with this hobby thing of not stopping. Like I said, usually these are done like the first episode, so we’re going to call it Episode Zero because of that. Hopefully the people that listen know a little bit more about me and Wendy on a personal level and will make different connections based on that, but very grateful to you for the time.
Wendy Lyons: Yes. Thank you very much, Scott, for coming.
David Lyons: And super grateful to all those people who listen and download us on a regular basis. It truly is one of those things that obviously you can’t have any followership without followers and we have those. So thank everyone.
Scott Harvey: Yeah, my pleasure. Thank you all for having me.
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