The Murder of Angela Owens Wooldridge | Part 1 of 3

Sometimes, this thing called reality crashes into our lives.

In February 2022, Wendy lost her literal best friend, Angie, to a Domestic Violence murder in Nicholasville Kentucky.  Angie was shot to death by her husband, who turned the gun on himself and died at his own hand.

The thing about True Crime is that it is alluring for so many reasons.  Deciphering case details, maybe even asking ‘what I would do if I was a detective’, are part of a natural human curiosity.  For most enthusiast, there is also the age old battle of wrapping our minds around the why when one human kills another.  What is evil?  But, when it comes to close to home…

Over three episodes, Wendy tells a story that she never in a million years though she would be telling, much less, as a True Crime podcast host.  She does though, and lifts Angie up for people to know, talks about the red flags that we see in domestic violence cases and the helplessness that friends might feel as things spiral downward as they watch.

If you are a victim of any type of domestic violence abuse, get help right away.  Your feeling of helplessness, lack of power, hopelessness and  depression were likely cultivated in you by your abuser.  There are answers.  There are strategies.  There is a better way.

If you have a friend in this situation; be the friend they need.

Anyone can call the National Domestic Violence Hotline at 800-799-7233, and explore options and services at https://www.thehotline.org/.

Show Transcripts

Part 1 of 3

Wendy Lyons:

Welcome to the Murder Police Podcast. I didn’t want to say it because it makes it real.

Wendy Lyons:

Warning. The podcast you’re about to listen to may contain graphic descriptions of violent assaults, murder and adult language. Listener discretion is advised.

Wendy Lyons:

Welcome to the Murder Police Podcast. The murder of Angela Owens Wooldridge. Part one of three.

Wendy Lyons:

Hello, I am Wendy.

David Lyons:

And I’m David.

Wendy Lyons:

Welcome back to the Murder Police Podcast.

David Lyons:

Well today, Wendy, we’ve got a particularly difficult case to talk about, and it’s difficult because it obviously involves a very good friend of yours, and someone that I came to know very well and came to care a lot about through you. This is going to be a rough ride for us, but I think it bears talking about for a couple reasons. I believe that Angela really needs to be memorialized for eternity as a victim of a crime and a friend of yours. I think it also highlights some of the dangers of domestic violence that we’ve talked about in other cases before, but unfortunately this time it came way too close to home.

David Lyons:

Tell me who Angela is, and maybe did she have any other previous married names or maiden names? Because people listen in the audience may know her through some of these other names and this might help them identify who they’re listening about. Tell me her names through some of the relationships that she’s had.

Wendy Lyons:

Well, she was born Angela Owens, on June 6th 1973. She married as a 19 year old, and she became Angela Kelm. And she was married for several years and then later remarried and became Angela Hobbs, and was Hobbs for quite a while until her most recent marriage when she became Angela Wooldridge.

David Lyons:

Just how old was Angie when we lost her?

Wendy Lyons:

She was 48. She would have been 49 on June 3rd.

David Lyons:

Where was Angie from, that you know of? Where was she maybe born and did most of her growing up at?

Wendy Lyons:

Well, she was born in Casey County, Kentucky, also known as Liberty, Kentucky. She moved to Nicholasville in fourth grade and stayed here ever since.

David Lyons:

Gotcha. I guess down in Casey County, where she grew up with her family and whatnot, is she survived by her parents?

Wendy Lyons:

Her mother unfortunately passed away several years back from cancer. She had had a pretty rough battle with cancer. That was pretty tough on Angie and the family. She is survived by her father, and she has one and sister, and she has three biological children and two adopted children.

David Lyons:

Tell me about the biological children. What’s her age ranges?

Wendy Lyons:

The two boys are from her first marriage. They’re adult young men, and then she has a daughter who’s 15 and her two adopted children. She fostered, she loved fostering children. That’s something she and I started together, was foster parent classes, and she fostered many children and ultimately ended up adopting two of them that she had fostered since birth. They were not biological siblings, but a year apart. Got them both from birth from the hospital actually, and adopted them once their parental rights were terminated from their biological parents, and she had them ever since birth.

David Lyons:

Okay. I listen to that. I can assume that at the time of her death that she just had the three younger ones living with her, correct?

Wendy Lyons:

She did. Yes. The 15 year old, and then the two younger are ones that are in elementary school. On actually the date of Angela’s death they were celebrating the youngest one’s birthday. It was his seventh birthday party.

David Lyons:

How sad. Now I know a lot of what I knew from Angie meeting her through you, and I’ve got just nothing but positive impressions of who she was. She just had an infectious smile, a really neat laugh, if I remember correctly.

Wendy Lyons:

She did. Yes. She did.

David Lyons:

Tell me about the things about her that you knew about her personality wise.

Wendy Lyons:

I made a memorial tribute to her on my Facebook post and it’s so true. We often joked that we didn’t have any friends because, I don’t know either we were too mean or too ornery, so we just had each other. People say they have a circle of friends, and Angie and I always said we didn’t have a circle, we just had a straight line. It was her at one end and me at the other, and that’s as far as it went. And like I said also, if Angie didn’t like you, I just didn’t you either, and I didn’t even need a reason why. I just didn’t because she didn’t. Same thing with me. All she needed to know is I didn’t like you, and so she didn’t either. She was the kind of friend that no matter what you were doing, she was just there. You called, she was there. You needed advice, she was there. She just was always there for me, and me her. We laughed, we cried. We’ve just been through so many things, and we met at such a young age, so we really grew up together.

David Lyons:

Yeah. That’s what I understand from talking to you too, is that just how long y’all have been … How many years do you think y’all knew each other?

Wendy Lyons:

31. We met back in 1991. We started working together, and that’s how we met.

David Lyons:

Where were y’all working together?

Wendy Lyons:

We worked at Long John’s Corporate office. We worked in the payroll department. She had started there about a month before I did, and we were cubicle mates. When I started working there, our supervisor placed me in with her and she trained me, and our birthdays were just a few days apart. We always had that in common and we said we were Gemini twins. You think, I tell you off, and you’re my soulmate, and I do believe that. But Angie was my friend soulmate. If I was thinking it, I didn’t even have to say it. She just knew, or same thing with her. I’d say, “I know what you’re thinking. Don’t even tell me what you’re getting ready to do.” It was that kind of friendship.

Wendy Lyons:

But we met there and we were young. She was 19. Maybe she wasn’t yet 19. I was a year older. There’s a year between us. Little special things. We would always celebrate the birthday month at the corporate office we worked at Long John’s Corporate. We would always have our birthdays together because mine’s May 30, hers is June 3rd. It was just always close knit things like that. Eating lunches together and helping her plan her first wedding, and going through when she was trying to conceive her first child, the pregnancy test that kept being negative until the positive one finally came and we celebrated that too. There were just so many things with her. It was just a daily life with her. She was there every day, and on weekends when we weren’t working, we were still talking, or we were together.

David Lyons:

Do you remember any hobbies or interest or things that she was passionate about or that drew her in, and maybe things that you all shared too?

Wendy Lyons:

Oh, true crime. We always shared that. When we first met there wasn’t true crime documentaries back in the early ’90s, but true crime. Geez. You know, she and I both initially, when I had the interest to go into the police academy, she did as well. She took all the tests and started doing the training, and then she had a plantar fasciitis tear in her foot, and so she had to stop.

Wendy Lyons:

We both got into the crime thing then, and then once the shows came out, it was so funny because so many nights when you were gone like you are sometimes with your teaching, she would call and say, “Have you seen this episode of this particular show?”

Wendy Lyons:

I’d say “No,” and she’d say, “Oh gosh girl. Go to [Yoroku 00:09:07] right now. Okay. Go down to episode three. It’s in season two. Episode three, season two. She’d say, “You have got to watch that. When you get to the 19 minute marker, call me back.”

Wendy Lyons:

It was just things like that we shared together. We both had such a passion for the true crime and such an interest in it. But aside of that, she just loved babies. She loved her foster babies and every one of them, they were hers. She just loved them like they were all hers. I said, “Geez, you’re going to start collecting kids if you aren’t careful.” She said, “I know. I want a house full of them.” Kids and cats. She loved kids and cats. Yeah.

David Lyons:

That remind me of, I think one time that she had seen an episode on one of those shows about some inmates arguing over a cookie.

Wendy Lyons:

You know, it was the funniest thing. I can’t remember, and I’ll tell this because you and I still joke about it. There’s another one that I’ll share, and I’m not going to share where she got it from. It was a guy that she was dating. But two of the infamous things that we still say, you and I, and she and I would always say, “Yeah, the inmates they were arguing. And they had gotten into a fight in the cafeteria, I guess. They both got put in the hole. The one inmate they were interviewing, they asked him about the fight, and he said that the guy had accused him of taking his cookie. The guy said, I didn’t take his cookie. What do I want with his child size cookie?” That was always a joke. Anytime we mentioned something to demean it, we would always say, we didn’t want your child size cookie, and it was just hilarious, because we had those certain things that we would say that really nobody knew what we were talking about. But to us it was it hilarious.

David Lyons:

Yeah. I remember that one because I think you asked me, on her behalf one time, if they would argue over a cookie in prison. I said, “Absolutely.”

Wendy Lyons:

Yeah, and then I think you said, and to demean even more he had to downgrade it and make it a child size cookie. It wasn’t even a good cookie. It was a child size cookie.

David Lyons:

Yeah. Economies in prison are really limited, and so cookies are a big deal probably. I’m laughing about that because I still just remember that, and you’re right, we still talk about.

Wendy Lyons:

Yeah, and she had that voice. She mocked the voice when she did it. The other thing that’s so funny is a person that she had had dated. He was always a one upper. Anything that you had done, he’d already either done it, or did it 10 times better than you. He was working for a cleaning service and she said, “Geez, he’s trying to make it sound like even though he’s working for a cleaning service, he isn’t just cleaning regular office buildings and regular apartments. They’re luxury apartments and office buildings.” She said they aren’t basic, so anytime something was average she’d say, “Girl, it’s not basic it’s luxury.” She would always capitalize, if we were texting, the L-U-X and then put the U-R-Y in little letters after that. That was always something that we laughed about, something being luxury or basic.

David Lyons:

You talked too about being that close to her, which I think people understand the difference between somebody they know and somebody that is a real friend, and you described it as maybe a so friend, or whatever is that … I think we both told the kids. I know I’ve told Brooke when she was growing up, my daughter, and I know we’ve had this conversation with Jasper, my stepson, is that you’re always going to have lots of associations, lots of people that you meet, lots of people.

Wendy Lyons:

Yeah. Acquaintances I call them.

David Lyons:

Acquaintances. Yeah, exactly. But you’ll always count on fewer than all of fingers on your hand, on the people that are actually friends.

Wendy Lyons:

Yeah. I just had her. That was it. You’re right. There are people that, yeah you call them your friend, you like them, but are they a friend that you call at 3:00 in the morning and they’re going to drop what they’re doing and come get you. Are they that kind of friend, or are they just going to call you the next day and say, I missed your call? But Angie and I, we were the kinds of friends that we would be there for each other. If one of us had, not to air too much business, but abnormal pap smears even, or mammograms, we were there for each other. We would go to those gynecology appointments together or go to the mammograms together, because I would share and she would share the anxieties that we would both have over abnormal results.

Wendy Lyons:

We didn’t go that alone. She took off work many of occasions to go on appointments with me, and I think you recall when I had a hernia removed two years ago, she took off work that day and she went to the hospital and drove me there, and you came a little bit later. And I did that with her, with her gastric bypass surgery. I told work that I wouldn’t be in, and you recall, I stayed all night at the hospital with her. That’s just what we did. You didn’t think about it, you just did it.

David Lyons:

You went through all that together? How much contact do you think you would have during a week, or were you contacting at one point daily when you all were [crosstalk 00:14:20]?

Wendy Lyons:

[crosstalk 00:14:20]. Oh, it was multiple times a day. Half the time we would sit on the phone together while she was working. Of course, with what I do, it’s hard for me to sit on the phone. If I was home working that day, we would just talk the majority of the day, or I’d call in the morning and she would joke and say, “Yeah, I’ve got a low day girl. I’m going to be able to sit here and bounce my checkbook all day long.” We would just talk. She’d keep her earbuds in, and the majority of the work day, we would spend on the phone. I don’t want her work people, as of late, to think she did that. She didn’t at her last job, but in the past we did.

Wendy Lyons:

Even at her last job, on the rides in we would be on the phone. As soon as she’d drop her children off to school or daycare, she’d be calling, and we would talk up until she’s getting into an elevator or I’m walking into my building. Same thing in the afternoons. We would talk on the home until she’s picking hers up from daycare, and I’m walking in the door here. As you know, half the time, I would still be on the phone talking to her while I’m preparing dinner. It was just every day. It wasn’t on occasion. When it was every day, it was either all day or multiple times a day.

David Lyons:

I witnessed that, and that’s why I asked. That changed at some point.

Wendy Lyons:

It did.

David Lyons:

It did. Let’s move into that a little bit, and I know it might get a little more difficult at this point too, because I think we both know, and I think what’s important for the listeners to understand is, the reason it changed, it had a lot to do with this husband that she was married to.

Wendy Lyons:

It did.

David Lyons:

When she died [crosstalk 00:15:50].

Wendy Lyons:

[crosstalk 00:15:50]. It had everything to do with that.

David Lyons:

Well, first of all, we won’t be naming him-

Wendy Lyons:

Mm-hmm (affirmative).

David Lyons:

… for a couple reasons. I mean, we probably have pretty strong opinions about what he did obviously, because he killed her. But there’s another thing too about this. A couple things is that, one, this is about Angie. This is about her as a crime victim, which is what we uplift in this show. And then thirdly is just as important, is that regardless of how we feel about that, he has a family that is wrestling with this in equally horrible ways too. That may be hard for people to swallow, but at some point you have to respect the fact that he’s got family and friends that are grieving in incredible ways that are magnified based on everything that happened. We won’t be naming him for those reasons, but we’ll just refer to him as her last husband, or him.

Wendy Lyons:

Mm-hmm (affirmative).

David Lyons:

We’ll leave it at that. As far as he goes, when did they meet? Can you recall?

Wendy Lyons:

Yeah, I recall very much, because she called me and told me that she had encountered him. Wanted me to go with her on her first meeting. I did. I think you recall that night. She and I had gone to the gym to work out. We were working out every night. Our goal was once she hit her 100 pound weight loss, we were going to Jamaica, and we’d been working out every day.

Wendy Lyons:

On this particular day, I remember we worked out, and I said, “Are going to go home and shower for before you meet him?”

Wendy Lyons:

She said, “No, I want him to see me how I am, and we’ll see how he tolerates this. Maybe there won’t even be a first real date.”

Wendy Lyons:

We went and worked out and I was driving. I remember we left her car at the gym, and I drove us to his work. I was there for the first quote date, if you will. I guess, meeting we’ll call it.

David Lyons:

Well, you were the wing woman.

Wendy Lyons:

I was.

David Lyons:

A guy would have a wing man. Let me take you back to something, because there’s been two things you mentioned that I think are incredibly important to talk about. How happy she was in that moment. You had mentioned before that she’d had gastric bypass, and then you just now talked about how she had lost 100 pounds, which I still remember that too.

Wendy Lyons:

Oh, she was so tickled. Every Tuesday was her weigh in, and she’d call me every Tuesday morning and we’d do it on the phone together. “Girl, I’m getting ready to step on the scales. Are you ready?” Excuse my language. I know we try to keep it clean here, but we always had a funny saying that we would have when you get real nervous, and she would call it shit gut. Then we decided that spicy pits were a thing too, when you’re super nervous.

Wendy Lyons:

If you had shit gut and spicy pits, you were really worked up over something that was getting ready to happen. Every Tuesday she’d say, “Girl, I got shit gut. I hope I lost all the weight I wanted to lose.” We would be on the phone while she stepped on the scale. Then inevitably she would take a picture of the number, even though we’re on the phone, and text it to me. Every Tuesday was a celebration day, because she’d lose more weight, and we would meal plan for her together over the phone, what she’s going to eat. I went through that whole journey with her, literally from going into the hospital with her the night before.

David Lyons:

That’s what I remember too, is that the closer she got, and then when she hit that mark, she was elated.

Wendy Lyons:

Oh, She was ecstatic.

David Lyons:

You had to be proud with her, and of her, because it took so much work, and she glowed.

Wendy Lyons:

She glowed. She felt so great about herself.

David Lyons:

Angie was always a beautiful woman.

Wendy Lyons:

Oh, she was.

David Lyons:

We’re going to put a lot of pictures of her to memorialize her on the show notes of the website so people can know who we’re talking about. But there was something about that, I think that pride and that elation and a reward for all that work, that I had to step back and talk about that because it struck me as something that I [crosstalk 00:19:35].

Wendy Lyons:

[crosstalk 00:19:35]. Yeah, she worked so hard to reach that goal, and whether she was heavy … When I met her, she was heavy and I didn’t care. She was still my Angie. When you’ve got that person that you love, you don’t care if they’re heavy, skinny, it doesn’t matter. I loved her regardless. She was my Angie. I take her skinny. I take her heavy. I didn’t care. She was my friend.

David Lyons:

Well, let’s go back to when you were the third wheel on this first meeting. During that first meeting, did you get any first impressions about who he was? Was there anything about him that jumped out at you?

Wendy Lyons:

I did. I didn’t like him from the first meeting. We got there and of course he had seen her pictures. They texted pictures back and forth, so he knew who was who. And so he wanted to know … He looked at me with a little smug look on his face and said, “What are you doing here?”

Wendy Lyons:

I said, “I’m here with her. We’re here for our first meeting.”

Wendy Lyons:

He said, “Well, I thought I was meeting her.”

Wendy Lyons:

I said, “No, you’re meeting both of us. We’re a package deal. You get her, you get me. And I’ll decide if there’s a first real date.” He didn’t like that.

David Lyons:

Oh, wow. Now in the time after that evening, and when you talked and everything, did she start to develop any first impressions? Where was she at with this?

Wendy Lyons:

I think with Angie, she was so hungry for somebody to love her. She had been through a lot of relationships that weren’t great. She had a heart of gold, and she wanted someone to love her like she loved others. I think their messaging back and forth, and their phone calls back and forth before the meeting, he was telling her things that she wanted to hear. She had already set up in her mind that he was somebody she was really interested in. He was taller than her. She liked taller guys. She liked hefty guys. She liked broad shoulders, and he had those things, so for her, the outward appearance, he check marked off everything she was looking for. With him in the background, telling her what she wanted to hear, that checked those boxes off as well. She was giddy, giddy, giddy, like a elementary school, puppy love, giddy. And I wasn’t.

David Lyons:

Did y’all ever talk about it, because I know that’s a risky thing to do with a friend, but did you talk about it? And when did you talk about it?

Wendy Lyons:

We did. We joked because I said, I don’t think he likes me and I really don’t care because she knows that I really don’t care about what people think, and she didn’t either.

Wendy Lyons:

She goes, “No girl, he’ll come around. He’ll come around. Girl, he’s just going to have to learn that you’re here. You aren’t going nowhere. He can either like it or lump it.” I said, “I think he’s probably going to lump it.” We just laughed about it. It wasn’t a lecture because we had just met him. We just chuckled and blew it off. Then that night, when he got off work, he called her.

Wendy Lyons:

I know this because the next morning, I said, “Did you hear from him? Or did I run him off?”

Wendy Lyons:

She goes, “No girl, he’s done called. I got him eating out of the palm of my hand already.” That’s how it started.

David Lyons:

Now. What kind of pace did the relationship move at? Was there anything about out that got your attention?

Wendy Lyons:

Oh, I would say, Lamborghini going down a street stretch. It was fast, really fast. They started dating after that night and they had their first dates like you have. Then he knew that we had this trip coming up, and she told me he’s not happy about this trip. And I said, “Well, he’s going to have to get over it because we’re going.”

Wendy Lyons:

He, and she had some words over it. But to answer your question, before we went on this trip, as you know, you were there, he messaged me. This is how little he knew her. He messaged me to ask me who some of her friends were. I said, “Well, you’re talking to the only one she has. She has acquaintances, if that’s what you’re meaning?”

Wendy Lyons:

He said, “Yeah, I’m wanting to have a birthday party for her.” He said, “I want you to help me with these people’s names.” I threw some names out. As you remember, we had it at a restaurant here in Lexington called Palmer’s. You and I got there first with a couple of other of her friends, moms that their kids go to the same dance school that her daughter went to, a neighbor, just some friends, acquaintances. He told me prior to that, and I think you remember seeing the look on my face, he told me he was going to ask her to marry him that night. I had the shit gut and spicy pits, because we’re talking just a month in. One month. This was in June, he asked her. They met in May

David Lyons:

I still remember going to that? I still remember, and I still remember when you told me, I think I was taken aback a little bit too. We joked a little bit about it, because we joke about fast engagements obviously, because we didn’t.

Wendy Lyons:

We did not. We had a five year engagement.

David Lyons:

But anyway, getting on with this is that, we talked a little bit about that, and I think universally, we were that’s pretty fast. That’s pretty fast. Maybe looking back now, that might even been something that now means more than ever, if that makes any sense, when we start looking at all the pieces.

Wendy Lyons:

It does because, I’m sorry, even if you talk to your new person every day, you just don’t know them in a month. I mean, you don’t. I’m sorry to those of you out there that also have puppy love, but you don’t know somebody in a month.

David Lyons:

Well, let me ask you this too, is that you said that y’all had so much contact. Did the contact start to change or did anything start to change during the courtship? Even moving up to the engagement … Let’s get to this. How long after the engagement were they married?

Wendy Lyons:

Well, let me say this. At that point, no, the conversation didn’t. We didn’t slow down at that point. We still kept our usual. Now, if she was going to see him, she’d say, “I’m about to pull up. I’ll call you back when I’m done.” And literally she’d say, “Girl, I’m getting in the car,” and I’d hear her turn it on. She literally would call as soon as she’s in the car. No, we still talked very regular at that dating point.

David Lyons:

How soon after they were engaged did they actually get married? Now I’m asking you these questions, but people need to understand too that, we were at the wedding.

Wendy Lyons:

It was just the four of us.

David Lyons:

Exactly, and that-

Wendy Lyons:

You took the pictures.

David Lyons:

Right. I was the photographer. Remind me again, from engagement to wedding day, how much time do you think that was?

Wendy Lyons:

One month. Yeah, it was one month. Nobody knew about it. I mean, nobody knew. As you know, she and I went to look at a couple of venues, and she ultimately settled on one of our favorite little spots. I guess I should give a shout out to Snug Hollow. It’s a wonderful little spot.

David Lyons:

For sure. Yeah.

Wendy Lyons:

A wonderful lady runs that. If you’re a local, it’s divine. It’s called Snug Hollow. We shared that with her as well, or I did as well as Shaker Village, which is where you and I got married. We toyed with those two places, and ultimately she wanted Snug Hollow because, well, you can stay overnight at Shaker as well, but she really liked what they had to say at Snug Hollow and everything that she could get there. She fell in love with the place. It was a month. Just one month.

David Lyons:

Okay. Now, you got the engagement, and then about a month into the wedding or anything, was there anybody close to her beside you that was raising an eyebrow to the speed of this?

Wendy Lyons:

Oh, there was. I need to say, I want to get back to … We had our Jamaica trip before this wedding. The signs really came out then. As I mentioned a second ago, he was not happy about this trip.

David Lyons:

Why do you think he was not happy? What was he expressing? What was she saying that she was getting?

Wendy Lyons:

He just said, two women don’t need to be going down there alone. There’s going to be men there. At that point, I think she told him, “Honey, there’s men everywhere that I go. I mean, I work with men. There’s men at the gym and I mean, I can’t get all men out of. I can’t help it that there’s going to be men there. We’re not going to an all ladies resort.”

Wendy Lyons:

He just didn’t like the idea of that. He thought that we were going to go get wild. I guess, be like a girl’s gone wild kind of thing. I thought he really doesn’t know her, because if he knew her and if he knew me, he’d know that’s the last thing that we want. We really don’t prefer a lot of people around us. We do like to people watch, but she and I were not big into those crowds, and people, and conversating. It just wasn’t us.

Wendy Lyons:

We were content to be on the lounge chairs. It was so funny, because they’d have them lined up like they do at resorts, and we would take ours, and we’d move them down about 20 feet. We just didn’t want to be near nobody, and that’s just how we were. Everybody annoyed us. And I’m making us sound horrible, and really we’re not. But that’s just how we were. I knew he didn’t really know her when he was thinking that we were going to be in the mix of a crowd, because I thought that’s the farthest thing that’s getting ready to happen.

David Lyons:

Well, let’s back up a little bit too. What are we really looking at with a person like that? Because now, when you take individual elements of anything and make observations, they shouldn’t form any opinion yet. But now look at this, and I think this is why you said it was one of the first signs, or some people would call this a red flag. Clearly, because of what he’s talking about with other men, he has a trust issue with her immediately.

Wendy Lyons:

Yeah, and they’ve only been together-

David Lyons:

There we go.

Wendy Lyons:

… two months.

David Lyons:

Right.

Wendy Lyons:

A month. How do you already don’t trust her?

David Lyons:

If you look at a fast engagement and a fast planned wedding, because that happened shortly thereafter that, you’ve got a trust issue, and then the speed starts to maybe start bleeding some more sense into the idea of control.

Wendy Lyons:

It does. And I will tell you, she FaceTimed him, and or was on the phone talking, and or texting all day long. I’m talking, we’d wake up in the morning and they’re talking, and then she tells him that we’re going to get ready to go down for breakfast, and she’ll call him when we get down there. And she would call when we got to the table. And then we would eat and she’d tell him. Of course, she would FaceTime him to show him where we’re sitting and what our view was. Then she would tell him, we’re going back to the room to change, and she’ll call him when we get back to the room. Then she’ll call him when we get down to the beach chairs, because he had to see that our beach chairs weren’t near anybody.

Wendy Lyons:

This went on all day and all night. Literally play by play of what we’re doing. All day, all night. I remember because I’m an avid traveler to Jamaica. It is my favorite ever spot. I told her that she could get … because she was worried about the phone bill. I said, “You can get an international passport. It’s only $10 a day.” She got her money’s worth. I’ll tell you. They were on the phone all day long. FaceTiming or talking or texting, or she’s sending him pictures. This went on the entire time we were there. I remember one time we were laying there and we had her eyes closed and we’re just listening to the water, and I thought she was talking to me and I said, “What you say girl? I didn’t hear you.” And I look over and she’s on the phone.

Wendy Lyons:

When she hung up, I said, “We are not doing that this whole time. We’re here. You know, I talk to David in the morning, and I talk to him once through the day, and then at night. Girl, we’re here for us. You are not going to sit on the phone with that man all day long.” She goes, “I know girl, but I just love him, and he loves me back.” I said, “Well, love him when you get back home.

Wendy Lyons:

That’s how it was the whole time. I think the biggest kick in the gut for me came, the real affirmation came when we missed our flight home. We were not advised of a change in flight times, so we missed our time. Subsequently, we had to stay overnight again, and he was so upset. He was very livid. I think that’s putting it kindly. She wasn’t worried about her three young children. She had them squared away, and that person was more than happy to keep them for an extra night. “Things happen,” they said. “It’s out of your control. Don’t worry about it. They’re fine.”

Wendy Lyons:

She was so worried about calling him. And he was upset. I could hear him through the phone saying, “This is ridiculous. Did you all do this on purpose?” She’s, “No, we didn’t do it on purpose. What do you mean did we do it on purpose?”

Wendy Lyons:

That next day when we arrived, we all live in this town together, so they were going to bring me home. If you remember, it was very late, so there’s no sense in you coming to get me. I rode with them, and when they got in the driveway, or when we pulled in, she gets out to let me out of the backseat, and I hug her and I said, “I’ll talk to you in the morning.” Because, that was our thing. We always talked in the morning. I looked in and bent my head down and looked in the car, and I said, I [inaudible 00:33:14] for driving me. He looked at me and he said, “I hope you had a time, because this will be her last girls’ trip with you.” And you know what? He was not lying.

Wendy Lyons:

Hey, you know there’s more to this story, so go download the next episode like the true crime fan that you are.

David Lyons:

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David Lyons:

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David Lyons:

Lock it down, Judy.