With Randall Smith
November 13, 2023
In our latest episode, we dive deep into the heart-wrenching story of Timmy, a young man whose disappearance has left a community searching for answers. Join us as we sit down with Randall Smith, Timmy’s close friend, who shares his emotional journey and the desperate quest for justice. This episode explores themes of friendship, fear, and the power of hope in the face of uncertainty. Don’t miss this gripping narrative that challenges us to reflect on the importance of community and conscience. Tune in now to be part of the search for truth and justice.
True Crime, Missing Person, Timmy, Randall Smith, Investigation, Cash Reward, Small Town Mystery, Community Search, Family Plea, Justice, Rumor Mill, Police Investigation, Emotional Interview, Missing Brother, Search Efforts, Podcast Episode, Human Brain, Anticipation, Conscience, Crime Victim
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Show Transcript
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Warning: The podcast contains graphic content. Listener discretion is advised
Randall Smith: You know, because the terror, the fright, the unknown is what’s the worst the unknown? Because what if, like, the thing that I kept thinking of is like, okay, we say we find him somewhere. I couldn’t understand, I couldn’t comprehend to break down what, I would do in a situation where if I was to walk up on him and see him somewhere like that hurt, passed away, whatever, I don’t know how I would handle that warning.
Wendy Lyons: The podcast you’re about to listen to may contain graphic descriptions of violent assaults, murder and adult language. Listener discretion is advised.
Randall Smith says he and his best friend spent weeks searching for missing brother
Welcome back to the Murder Police Podcast. Today we will continue the series Never Forget little Timmy. This is part two of two of an interview with one of his best friends, Randall Smith.
Randall Smith: Well, no, Friday I got in contact with his mom, which I’ve never met his mom before because, she had been in and out in her own situations or whatever. I’m not, I’m not going to speak on it. I don’t know, and finally got to meet her and we, we looked. Me, his mom, her daughter, his sister. We looked for days. Days, all of us, we, we all looked everywhere, anywhere you could think of down in that area. I mean, Timmy’s not going that far out there, you know, period. He’s not. Unless he’s running for his absolute life, he’s not going far out there. Not happening. So we did what we could with what we had, which we didn’t have much to go search and find, you know, I even tried to pay people to go out with. like I met a guy through the car scene, you know, because where I’m, you know, in the big. Into cars, you know, he, he does a lot of, like, deep sea fishing. He’s got sonars and stuff on his boat. You know, I was, I was going to pay him to go out there and, you know, and it’s just, you know, it’s just a mess, you know, and he’s not, he wasn’t there, he wasn’t nowhere, you know, and your mind plays tricks on you. You know, whenever you’re in the scenery and you get back into town, you know, you start seeing things where he could have been or where he could be, you know, and you, your brain starts playing tricks on you and, you know, and you want to envision where he is and try to find that spot, whatever, you know, out there, and it’s, you just can’t. And it was rough, you know. Ah, you know, I don’t know how to put it in words. Whenever we, you Know, we were looking for him those weeks. I felt like it was weeks, it was a lifetime that we were out there looking, you know, because it was scary. It was scary. You know, it was terrifying to think that your brother is out here missing somewhere and he doesn’t know what he’s doing in the woods.
David Lyons: Yeah. You know, you’re probably thinking worst case scenarios and that’s the imagination.
Randall Smith: In any circumstances like this, the human brain goes straight from. To the worst thing, no matter what. And we can all relate to that. Everybody, you know, if, say that you hear about your cousin in a wreck or something like that and say, oh, it was bad, it was bad. You’re thinking, oh my God. What? Like, are they almost like passed away? Passed away. You know, your brain, instantly, they don’t think about the positives, they go straight to boom.
Wendy Lyons: It’s gotta be the worst scenario.
Randall Smith: Yeah. that’s probably the most cancerous thing of the human brain. Whenever you can, I believe, see a situation and think the worst.
David Lyons: It’s. The brain is an anticipation machine. And things like this fuel it. Like you said, it goes in.
Randall Smith: Yeah. You know, because the terror, the fright, the unknown is what’s the worst, the unknown. Because what if like, the thing that I kept thinking of is like, okay, we say we find him somewhere. I couldn’t understand. I. I couldn’t comprehend to break down what, I would do in a situation where I was to walk up on him and see him somewhere like that hurt, passed away, whatever. I don’t know how I would handle that. I would. You know what I mean? That’s another thing, you know, whenever I.
David Lyons: Don’T think you can prepare yourself mentally.
Randall Smith: No anticipation, you know, and, you know, and it’s just that’s. That was the worst part of even looking, you know, like the wheel to go look was high. You know, we want to be out there looking. But I couldn’t imagine, like, you know, if it’s. I’m sitting there because I. Every time I was out there, I was with his mom. I’m gonna let you know if I was out there and we walked up on him somewhere with his mom. Oh my God. Awful. This is awful. It would have been awful.
Currently there’s a cash reward for information in this case
David Lyons: Well, I understand that there’s a. That currently there’s a cash reward and I think you’re part of that.
Randall Smith: Yeah, I have personally. So I start off with 3,000 DOL. you know, I posted on Facebook $3,000. And I let that sit for five days, four or five days, and let it simmer on People. And I was like, you know, five, $3,000. Nobody’s talking yet. Nobody said nothing. So I was like, I got solid $5,000. I posted a video dropping the money on the bed. Bring me the information. I need the information. I want my brother to come home, you know, and soon after that, his, his father’s dad, said, I got this one, too. So at this point, now we’re at 25,000, you know, and nothing, nothing for 25k. Now, a week after that, I had a 20. I had my race car. It was worth $20,000. You know, you could turn around and sell it for an easy $15,000 and somebody would bring you cash. The same day I posted that in there, I was like, we got $25,000 in a fully built race car. Boom. You know, I posted everything. I had everything. I loved to find an answer.
Wendy Lyons: Yeah.
Randall Smith: You know, for something, you know, and there was nothing. There was still crickets today. Nothing. You hear rumors on the street. We’re living in a town with a population of around 20,000, you know, a little over 20,000 people. And rumors, you know, you get, they switch from person to person or whatever. It’s like if we was to stand a hundred people in a line and we say cat here, by the end of it, it’s going to say dog, you know, and, it’s, it’s. It’s terrible, you know, and I don’t know.
David Lyons: Yeah, that’s what we’re grasping too, is in its relatively short period of time since April, because it’s August when we’re recording this, is that the rumor mill has been in full swing.
Randall Smith: Oh.
David Lyons: And, we talked about that with some of the family of, you know, you. And we won’t go too deep into it, but you’re like, why would people make stuff up like that, knowing that it hurts people that are close to.
Randall Smith: Yeah, yeah.
David Lyons: And maybe that’s why they do it. I don’t have never understood that kind of stuff. But so. So here we are, we’re sitting on $25,000 in cool, cold cash and a car. And a car that somebody I know that would, probably like to have that money. And, and a brand new car. Exactly.
Randall Smith: That literally goes zero to 60 in like three seconds.
David Lyons: Yeah.
Randall Smith: Like it’s, it’s a dream car.
David Lyons: You know, I mean, I guess people have loyalties, but I don’t know, I think people, if they’re listening or watching this, they need, they need to be thinking about what 20, 5K is in a car.
Randall Smith: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, not.
David Lyons: Not to mention if it do really, if somebody hangs out of this information, if they’re, like, really close to this and they hang on to it too long, they’ll go to prison too.
Randall Smith: Yeah.
David Lyons: That’s what I don’t get about people. They don’t understand that you got a little. You’ve got a limited window to jump.
Randall Smith: Through to go before you’re involved.
David Lyons: That’s, you know, you’ve got some time to reach out to the, It’s Detective Damon Stevens with a KSP doing a fantastic job on this. I’m clean with him. And 25k or not 25 sweetens the deal a little bit. I’d come clean and get that off my shoulders and.
Randall Smith: Yeah.
David Lyons: Have a shot at going to heaven when I die. And then, And not to mention that. But, not doing time with somebody that’s responsible for any of this that’s going on. So. 25k is a lot of money.
Randall Smith: It’s a lot of money.
David Lyons: And thank you for. And I wanted to get there because that’s how you take that fear, that anticipation, that anxiety, and translate it into something that can maybe help.
David Harrison offers $3,000 reward in search of missing son Timmy
Randall Smith: Yeah, yeah.
David Lyons: The other. Just you. Yeah.
Randall Smith: So, you know, I got the idea of the $3,000 because while we’re out there looking, you know, I’m out there with his mom, his Aunt Angie, and his cousin Josh, which I grew up around these people, you know, literally grew up around them because they’re friends with my aunt. so, like, I remember his cousin Josh. Josh is like my cousin. I remember him being, like, 8 years old, you know, and, he looked at me and he said, whatever you do, just help me find. Help me find Timmy. And I was like, listen, buddy, I’m gonna do whatever I can to find Timmy for all of us, you know, And I’m, That day, I went and posted the $3,000 reward. And then, you know, after nothing went with the $5,000 reward, which. Having a family at home, I can’t really do much with money. But $5,000 in this town. In this town seems like a lot of money, you know, because I don’t know anybody out here that can go to their bank and grab, $5,000 and still be able to pay their bills, you know, after giving $5,000 away.
Wendy Lyons: Well, and I think the fact that you’re so desperate that you’re willing to give so much and then give your prized car, I mean, you’re just willing to do whatever you can.
Randall Smith: If I could, I Would sell two kidneys and both my legs to have Timmy back, you know, And I feel like everybody that knows Timmy would do the same thing. Anybody. There’s a lot of people that knows Timmy. Let me rephrase that. Anybody that genuinely cared about Timmy would do the same thing, you know, because Timmy was, He wasn’t just somebody that was there. You know what I mean? He was somebody that was there forever, you know, he was. He would hold you down forever, you know, he was just the realest person, you know? He did not. He did not care what it took. You know, he was. He was always riding with you. You know, he would do whatever he needed to do to make sure you were taken care of, you know, and that’s. That’s who he was. So for people to make rumors about him and stuff like this, it doesn’t make sense, because Timmy was one of the best people I’ve ever met in my life.
David Lyons: So if you could. If you could, talk to people, because it’s a small community. That’s what I love about this town. And, but if you could talk to people that are listening or watching, what would you ask them to do? What would you want them to do to make this different?
Randall Smith: if. I mean, if you know anything about the situation, please come forward. You know, I’ve prayed to God days like I’m on. I’m. I work, you know, every day, and, you know, I just think, you know, I pray to God and tell them, telling God to put the conviction in these people’s hearts to come forward, you know, and that’s. That’s all we all. That’s all we really want, you know, we want Timmy back. and we just want justice, you know, so if you know something involved or you’re not involved, you just hear it from somebody that might have been involved or close to the people involved. Just come forward, you know, because Timmy might not have been your person to the people listening. He was our person, you know, and that’s. If it was one of your people, you would want somebody to do the same thing. You would want somebody to come forward to help you find your purse.
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David Lyons: 100%.
Wendy Lyons: Yeah. And he deserves justice, and you all deserve answers. you know, that’s what we heard from when we spoke to his uncle and his grandmother. And I’m sure you and, a lady we spoke to last night would say the same thing. This family just wants him back so they can pay their proper respects and know where their loved one is.
Randall Smith: You know, it’s, whether he’s still here or whether he’s passed away, we just want him back, you know, that’s the biggest thing. You know? because if he’s not here anymore, he’s passed away and he’s been thrown out. Like, he’s not trash, you know, this is the thing. Saints have a past. Sinners have a future. No matter what Timmy has ever done in his wrong in his life, everybody makes mistakes. And he still had a good future, you know, ahead of him. He’s young, and for him to be thrown out like he was, you know, trash or whatever has happened, you know, is not right. And it’s awful.
David Lyons: Yeah. When, somebody’s life is cut short or they don’t have that ability, is it that they get robbed of that opportunity to change? And we all know too many people that have changed people. I know that in my career for 28 years, one of the coolest things I saw was watching people change and make, sure you have a lot of faith in humanity. Not everybody keeps making those same mistakes. And some people do go to an institution for several years, and then they come out and they change and are different, and they live productive lives and healthy lives and loving lives and have families. But when somebody is irresponsible around that person, or maybe even worse than irresponsible, they rob them of that.
Wendy Lyons: Yeah, that’s the sad thing here is that Timmy was just out a day and didn’t get a chance to be who he was going to be now that he had a fresh start again. He didn’t get his fresh start.
Randall Smith: Yeah, he didn’t. He didn’t. And we talked about it on Facebook, me and him. Like, that night that he had messaged me, or I messaged him after, he sent Me, a friend request. I was like, hey man, you’re going to get a job. You know, I was gonna, I was thinking about bringing him to work with me. Just see how, see how it would work, you know, and because my job is really labor, extensive. It’s hot outside. Anyway, as long as he brought some.
David Lyons: Extra shirts, he’d probably be in.
Randall Smith: Probably, yeah. But he had told me that he was planning on going, to work with his daddy down. And I think it was Georgia or wherever it was.
Timmy had a list of things he had to do to comply
And I was like, man, that’d probably be the best thing for him is to get out of here.
David Lyons: Yeah, we’re hearing too, because when you, when you reenter, there’s the list of things that you have to do within 24 and 48 hours and then. But what I keep getting from people that were close to him is he had the list of things he had to do to comply, but he had a list of things he wanted to do that. And those things were good, powerful for very forward thinking things. Getting into meetings, staying with AA and NA and getting employment and stuff like that. You know, everybody can do the minimum that they make you do. But it sounded like Timmy was ready to do much, much more than that.
Randall Smith: Yeah, Timmy was ready to, like, we didn’t get in depth in the conversation with it, you know, but on the phone that morning, the morning that I had called him after I woke up and seen that he had responded to my message, we had talked, you know, and he was like, yeah, I’m going to get my license, I’m going to get a car. I’m going to, you know, do this. Can’t wait. And I was like, yeah. And now thinking back on it, he’s never really got to experience owning possessions of his own and working hard for it and getting, you know, the adult dream life that he deserved, you know, and he’s been robbed of all of that. and it’s heartbreaking. It really is heartbreaking.
Wendy Lyons: It is. And it’s sad that not only did Timmy get robbed of it, but his friends and family who were so eager and anticipating him to come home. You all got nothing but a message and a video call. You didn’t even get to reconnect and rekindle where you left off as young boys and now know each other as adults.
Randall Smith: Adults, yeah. You know, adult life, I’ll tell you, right now, my adult life is way different than it was seven years ago. So, I mean, and I was ready to put him on to it. You know, I was Gonna show him, you know? Yeah. I don’t know. There’s just a lot that we could have done together, you know, and now we’re just lost in the wind, you know? Yeah, it’s bad.
David Lyons: Well, hopefully people listen, watch, they share this with other people. It’s just a small town.
Wendy Lyons: Well, we know somebody knows something.
Randall Smith: Somebody here knows something.
Wendy Lyons: And I’d say more than one somebody knows. So, you know, I would venture to say that even if they don’t do it for the handsome rewarding car, I know those are material things, but. And that’s so generous of you and his dad to do that. I, know you feel like that’s the least you could do. But aside of that, even if we don’t take into account those material things, Have a conscience. Do it for yourself, to do the right thing, for friends and family. How can you live with knowing either what you’ve done or what somebody else did? I just don’t think we’re wired to live knowing that someone has done evil. How do you live with that in your conscience? How do you sleep at night?
Randall Smith: It’s awful. It sounds awful. You know, I don’t know how anyone could ever do that, you know. And God’s gonna, you know, do his work. Whether we get our justice in this life right now, God will make sure that we, we will have justice at the end. Whether, you know, good or bad. Good or bad, you know.
David Lyons: Yes.
Wendy Lyons: Somebody’s going to have to answer for it someday. I’d rather clear my conscience now. And whether you get in trouble or not, I’d much rather sleep well at night knowing I did the right thing.
Randall Smith: Yeah. Yeah. you know, I believe in Jesus and God. You know, there’s a higher power somewhere. We’re just. Didn’t pop up, boom, just like that, out of nothing, you know, there’s no way that intelligent human beings and animals just popped out of nowhere. so I hope whoever’s listening, you know, and if they know anything and they believe in God, you know, and they want to try to save their self and their own soul, they come forward and they try to help us find him. Because God, he’s. I don’t. I don’t think he’s going to forgive.
David Lyons: I don’t think he’s down for that.
Randall Smith: No, I don’t think he’s.
Wendy Lyons: I mean, it is a commandment, after all.
David Lyons: Yeah, that’s true.
Wendy Lyons: We shouldn’t murder.
David Lyons: Yeah, exactly.
Wendy Lyons: And again, even if you didn’t do it, whoever’s out there but, you know, clear Your conscience.
Randall Smith: I don’t. So this is the way I see it. All right. If. Say that to me right out there and he had passed away on his own, you know, on his own, you know, whatever. Or whether somebody drug him out, beat him up and got too serious with it and killed him. Well, whether he died on his own will or somebody killed him, what’s the difference between that? You know, him down on his own will and somebody killing him. What’s the difference between them two? Murder. You know, what’s the difference between that and murder? You know, him dying on his own and y’all hiding his body away from us and y’all somebody killing him and then hiding his body. There’s no difference.
Wendy Lyons: It’s still an evil deed.
Randall Smith: If somebody dies an accident and you don’t report it and you decide to play Where’s Waldo with the body. There’s no difference between that and murder. I don’t. I don’t.
David Lyons: Most juries will agree with you. That is because it’s unreasonable.
Randall Smith: It’s. You shouldn’t not have. It shouldn’t ever happened. If that’s what happened or whatever.
Wendy Lyons: Report it and say something’s unexpected happened.
Randall Smith: Yeah.
Wendy Lyons: Try to get him help too.
Of all the possibilities, there’s a lot of rumors running around
David Lyons: That of all the possibilities, you know, there’s a lot of rumors running around and again, we don’t do those here. But of all the possibilities of what could have happened. And it’s a wide range of things out there is some of those possibilities in and of themselves aren’t a straight up bad deed. Just being stupid. Yeah.
Randall Smith: Yeah.
David Lyons: But the longer you wait with stupid. The worse it gets in. The worse a good jury would look at it or a good judge would look at it. Is that it’s stupid. In the moment when you’re emotional and you’re scared and stuff like that. But the longer that goes on. Yeah.
Wendy Lyons: Then it’s intentional. It’s very intentional that you’re trying to hide it.
Randall Smith: Yeah.
David Lyons: Because there’s a lot of things that could happen to him and some of the. Some of them are simply tragic.
David Lyons: Right. And But you can take something tragic and make it evil.
Randall Smith: Yeah.
David Lyons: Hanging on to it, you know, and again depriving you and the family and everybody else was closed with close to him of answers and for any.
Randall Smith: Type of closure or anything.
David Lyons: Exactly.
Wendy Lyons: You know, you’re just left in the dark.
Randall Smith: Left in the dark. So like it’s. I don’t. You can’t put something like this in the words really.
David Lyons: You know, you’ve done good. I mean it’s hard, but you’ve. You’ve done a really good job of expressing who he is and what it feels like. And the frustration, the anticipation of searching for somebody. I know you can’t put it in words, but you’ve. You’ve done really well. And I think that again, that’s what people, listening, watching are going to pick up on, is a really good picture of Timmy. And then this whole thing of what it could be, might be, and then what the consequences are as time, changes and the pain that’s left behind.
Randall says he hopes justice is brought for Timmy following his disappearance
So did, you have anything else?
Wendy Lyons: no, I just, you know, the whole thing is so tragic. And the more we talk to people and get different versions, we are learning more. Unfortunately, we didn’t have an opportunity to. No Timmy. But the more we talk to people like yourself, we learn more and more about him. And not that it’s not tragic for anybody to lose anyone, but he kind of brings it closer to home for us because we’re getting so many intimate stories. And the more we hear, the sadder it gets. And it’s like this poor guy was just wanting to try to get out and do the right thing and start over and have a fresh start. And I agree with what you said. Everybody’s got a past, but we don’t have to keep kicking them down over something that they’re trying to redo better.
Randall Smith: You know, I come from a family full of addicts, you know, it missed me. I didn’t, I didn’t, you know, I never got down that road. I didn’t, you know. Cause I could see, you know, what it was doing to not just them, but our family and me. And I wasn’t even doing it, so I never went down that path. But I’ve seen all of them rebound to 100% normal lives these days, you know, so that goes back. You know, all saints have a past and all sinners have a future.
Wendy Lyons: That’s right.
Randall Smith: just cause we make mistakes don’t mean that we’re not willing to move forward in our life and live a better life.
Wendy Lyons: You can’t, you can’t keep somebody down over something that they did back when.
Randall Smith: Yeah.
Wendy Lyons: so let it go and let them move on. And that’s sad because I really do believe he was going to get his second chance and do better and be productive and have good friends and family and a job and.
Randall Smith: Yeah.
Wendy Lyons: you know, and he have everything.
Randall Smith: He ever could have dreamt of, you.
Wendy Lyons: Know, and he got robbed of it.
Randall Smith: He got robbed of it. We all got robbed of watching him grow into this beautiful flower that he could have been.
David Lyons: That’s right, man.
Randall Smith: So, I mean, it’s just, hopefully something comes out as time keeps moving forward. And I hope it’s sooner rather than later because it.
David Lyons: That’s our hope.
Wendy Lyons: That’s our hope, Randall. We really hope that, that justice is brought for Timmy and you all and for whomever is responsible. I mean, somebody’s got to pay for it. I always say if you’re big enough to commit the crime, we ought to have the balls to pay for it.
Randall Smith: Yeah, do the time, do the crime. Yeah, that’s exactly right.
Wendy Lyons: Don’t be.
Randall Smith: We all grew up listening, hearing that.
David Lyons: Exactly.
Wendy Lyons: You know, so, I mean, if it was an intentional act, somebody was big enough and bad enough to do it. So pay for it.
Randall Smith: Yeah.
Wendy Lyons: again, if it was an accident and you didn’t report it, then just tell. Yes, it was an accident and we got scared and we didn’t know what to do. But here’s what happened and here’s where he is.
Randall Smith: that, that sentence and that, that, those, that sentence and saying, hey, it’s an accident. I mean, probably gonna be less than, oh, big time, you know, so if you’re learning it and you’re out there and you know something, please let us know.
Wendy Lyons: That’s right.
Randall Smith: You know, because as Tom keeps moving forward, it’s only going to get worse and sooner or later something’s going to get found out.
Wendy Lyons: Yes. And we’re four months coming on, five months now.
Randall Smith: Yeah.
Wendy Lyons: Since he’s disappearance. So, it’s been long enough and somebody needs to speak up. we thank you so much, Randall, for coming and thank you all for having me. Thank you so much for being such a good friend slash brother to Timmy that you’re willing to not only speak on his behalf, but you’re willing to say, I’ll give a reward in money that shows your love for Timmy and you just want answers like everybody else. That’s such a selfless thing to do.
Randall Smith: Yeah. Timmy was my first brother, you know, like I had two half brothers that I didn’t get to meet until I was almost 18 years old. You know, I was, I was raised with a sister. So whenever me and Timmy ended up getting real close as kids, I was like, man, this is what it’s like to have a brother. You know, finally got a brother, each other, whatever, you know, so, you know, he was my first brother that I had, you know, and that’s, that’s, you know, cherish that for the rest of my life.
David Lyons: Well, thank you, too. I mean, it, it takes a lot of courage, it takes a lot of vulnerability to come and talk about the things that you did. But I think that there’s so many people coming forward that want to speak on this, and I think we’ll see something on this, hopefully sooner than later.
Wendy Lyons: Thank you again, Randall.
Randall Smith: Yes, no problem. Thank you all for having me.
Wendy Lyons: Hey, you know, there’s more to the story, so go download the next episode. Like the true crime fan that you.
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